Duran (Buchanan) easily beats mayweather

He's playing the results obviously. But before the fight I remember some lines as pick em.

 

It' revisionist history because Moore was pretty highly regarded as a young champion. Duran was just a name on his resume. Moore was expected to win and possibly look at Hearns and eventually Hagler. Since Duran beat him now he 'isn't that good '.

 

MayweatherJr also never fought 1 ATG when that ATG was still relevant. The quitting in New Oleans is almost unforgivable. But how many fighters MayweatherJr faced was on the same planet as Prime Leonard? Hell, how many had the same level of skill as Cuevas, Lampkin DeJesus Buchanan,or Palamino? ( Remember outside of Corrales damn near all the "Name" opponents were beyond prime. Some were well beyond prime and fighting at a unnatural weight just to get a big pay day for fighting Mayweather) The answer is none. Not one. And it's just an indication of how far boxing has fallen off when very good fighters are turned into ATG's simply because the level of competition is so weak. Also, take this into consideration, one of MayweatherJr's better wins (MayweatherJr is a natural jr lightweight. Meaning the weight he looked his best at. ) was against Canalo Alvarez. That same Canelo Alvarez a natural Jr middle battled the other hype job Triple G. A natural Super Middle evenly for 12 rds. Yet many on this same site would pick Triple G. To defeat Hagler, Monzon and Robinson. Really?

 

There is nothing on Moore's resume of wins to suggest he is close to Hearns level. He may have been expected to beat Duran but Duran beating him doesn't suggest he has a serious chance against Hearns or put that version of Duran anywhere near a prime Leonard or a prime Hagler at their best weights.

 

Juan Manuel Marquez, Pacquiao, and Alvarez are all very good wins.

 

I think we have a pretty good idea how good Moore is given how his career played out. A fairly good fighter but clearly well below guys like Mike McCallum and Thomas Hearns at 154. Duran beating him is a good win but guys like Buster Drayton were also able to beat him and no one would favor him over Hearns at 154.

 

Nobody would favor Mayweather over Hearns ether. Not at 47 and certainly not at 54. So Davey Moore isn't as great Hearns? Hearns is most likely the best 154lb boxer in history.

 

My point is a fight with Duran at 154 is not as big a test for Hearns as Hagler at 160 or Leonard at 147.

 

Live? If so that's dope! I've seen a fair bit of footage, I don't think he looks as good as Jr, plenty of similarities though. Jr was boxing in the gym as early as 3/4 years old (obviously not to a massive degree) which leads me to believe he was pretty much destined to be a great fighter

 

This^ captures a key problem or two associated with these types of fantasy match-ups, between Boxers from different eras, and provides some perspective on the relative levels between then and now.

 

Moore had 11 fights. In retrospect how good was he at the time. Moore was a good win for Duran in 1983,, but a great win Moore was not. nothing to say, wow he beat a great fighter. Had he beaten Hearns or Benitez at 154, that would have really helped his legacy. Duran had good wins, but Moore and Barkley are not fighters you can say put him in top 10 ATG. The guys who do that for me are Hearns, Hagler, Benitez.

 

This thread has nothing to do with Duran's ATG ranking and your post completely takes away from the fact that he was the underdog against Moore; eight years Moore's senior and physically over-matched, on paper.

But, despite all of this, Duran delivered a hellacious beating on the bigger man.

 

In a nutshell your point point would carry weight if Duran had gone 1-4 against Hearns, Leonard and Halger at 135lbs in his 20s. He was the oldest and smallest of that group. The fact that he is even included in speaks to his badazzery. What other Lightweight Champion ever won a legit title at Middleweight? There have been some great fighters but I think Duran is the only one.

When your talking about all time top 10. That is rare air. It's splitting hairs but Duran is in the discussion.

 

I never said he was not great, I just cannot put him in the top 10.. Not with his lack of wins over greats... But to his credit he fought everyone he could and he is a legend and part of the fab 4 and undisputed lightweight champion. My point was in regards to the top 10 ATG.

 

Oldest in that group, but first to fight at 154 in regards to Hearns/Benitez/Leonard.