Duran Had A Party In His Dressing Room After The 2nd Leonard Fight

But he did throw the fight. We all saw him do it. Like you say, he plain ass quit.

 

How can you say "Duran would not do that" about a fix but then say Duran quit because an opponent started to land punches ?
NO one in their right mind expected Duran to do what he did, it was way out of character.

 

So you are saying a fix is someone saying no mas during a fight in the mid rounds if that is what he said? Regardless Duran quit. I fix would be much more mild than that. Duran would not let anyone win on a fix. Ray landing punches was not a fix. Ray was winning the fight and Duran could not do anything. Ray was taking that win and starting to land punches. He made Duran say no mas or whatever he said, some people dispute Duran saying no mas.

 

Well if you want to label them the same then yes sure he threw the fight.

 

if Brown or Arcel admitted Duran wasnt ready to fight that would have made them look bad. Also Duran had gotten away with this type of thing in the past. It caught up to him. He was close to 30 and gaining and losing weight has a shelf life. Look at Jake Lamotta. His career fell off a cliff and he was washed up at 31.

 

An interesting perspective on it... ...You are, of course, correct in your description of Duran's actions. His motives, however, remain a blur.

All I can say is that, if it was a fix, then Duran's chosen method of throwing the fight really took 'hiding in plain sight' to a whole other level.

 

There is a clip of Arcel watching Duran hit the bag in New Orleans and the reporter said that Duran at times looked listless and even uncoordinated.

 

The most important fight of his career and he quit and it "just caught up with him"? That is downplaying a very important fight which Duran would know the significance of. That is almost diminishing his greatness by saying Duran did not know what was important in boxing. He just didn't care about boxing or winning? At only 30, and he fought another 21 years and 40 or so fights? maybe more. This is an excuse. All fighters wish to have excuses like this for their most important fight ever.

 

Anyone with eyes can see the difference in Duran, between Montreal and New Orleans.

 

all fighters struggle with weight usually. How is Duran different. Hearns fought Hutchings Sept. 1984,, then moved up and fought Hagler 160 in April 85, then after Shuler in June 1986 he fought at 154.. Then in October 86 moved up and fought Dewitt, then he moved up again in March 1987 to light heavyweight.. Then in October 1987 7 months later, he went back down to 160.. Hearns went up and down and still could win. Fighters do it.

 

If a guy quits you have to ask why he didn't want to continue. No one has ever firmly established why Duran quit. It's the most unsatisfactory ending in a fight ever, and that includes a ton of other fights where a boxer quit.
The possibility remains that he never intended to win.

But like I said in my original post, people are so set in their minds about what was going on - (whether it Duran fans who insist Duran was a sick/drained shell of himself, or SRL fans saying he put on some soul-destroying boxing domination) - it's really no surprise that suspicion of a fix is now brushed aside.

On the same note, I really don't care why Duran quit.
It stinks in any way, shape and form.

 

The difference was Ray and how he moved.

 

Well, there's also the likelihood that such a great fighter, with a 71-1, has no idea how to LOSE convincingly, especially once the fight has started.

But, yes, sometimes people fail to see the wood for the trees.

 

I see your point. I don't think it matters why he quit either, although I think quitting speaks for itself in the middle of a fight. Saying no one firmly established why he quit. That is like saying no one firmly established why Fielding went down with the body punches of Canelo. We know the punch probably hurt his body, but was there a fix? We know there was not a fix, but that is my point -anyone can say fix about anything. The quitting of Duran speaks for itself. The reason cannot be established since Duran has made excuses for every loss in his career and downplayed those losses. And the way Duran quit and then seems to resume but then quits again. It is like he was on the fence about quitting, he just didn't want to fight Ray anymore.

 

Your reaching.
Every fight is the most important at that time. The 1st fight wasnt the most important? Duran had been a champion for years before this. He beat Leonard and he was arrogant.

Did Duran ever look the same in the ring after that fight in Montreal? He was never the same again. The speed, non stop aggression, cutting the ring.

Anybody can see that clear as day