Duran Had A Party In His Dressing Room After The 2nd Leonard Fight

Yep. And people talk about the taunting/clowning Leonard did, but that was in the 7th round and he did none in the 8th.
Duran fought most of the 8th then just quit. Nothing much was happening, he just quit.

 

He was behind on all judges cards, it would have been a unanimous decision.

 

I'll have to look in to it again but I'm sure Leonard caught and possibly hurt Duran not long before he quit.

When I can be assed I'll watch the video.

 

I doubt that very much, especially if all those rumours of him burning the candle at both ends being true.

 

Duran almost certainly felt that way and that's all that counts. It was a shameful act and he was rightly lambasted for it.

 

I still don't see why you seem to think the outward image being portrayed by the Duran camp was anything out of the ordinary. In addition, the negatives of a training camp do not generally surface until after a big fight; sometimes, quite a long time afterwards.

However, on that, I also think it his misguided to attempt to directly equate Duran's quitting with his general, physical conditioning for the fight. Arcel and brown obviously did not and why would they? Duran quitting overshadowed everything and pointed towards something more serious.

It is fair to suggest that Duran quitting was not necessarily commensurate with him being simply less than physically prepared [than he had been for the Montreal bout]. So, it's no surprise that immediately after the fight, his camp were at odds to explain why Duran had quit, when 'poor conditioning' alone would not have been a sufficient explanation, anyway.

I think we need to separate the 'Why Duran quit' with the 'Duran's conditioning for the fight' issues. They are quite separate and it seems that one is obfuscating the other.

Not really; not if you separate the two issues, as I suggest above. No conspiracy is required to explain why they gave a positive outlook of Duran conditioning before the fight. They wouldn't have done otherwise.

No conspiracy is required to accept that neither Brown nor Arcel could provide an explanation for why Duran quit, either.

I disagree entirely with this assessment. But then, that's nothing knew, on this particular topic.

 

You can speculate that might have been the case, but there was half the fight left to go. In any event, it doesn't change the fact that, in terms of the scores, Duran was still in it and not "well behind".

 

If all 3 judges had Leonard ahead it's a shutout, he was clearly leading the fight.

 

At what point did I suggest Leonard wasn't ahead or not leading the fight?
You don't know what a shutout is.

 

Why do you feel the need to carry this on? Duran quit and showed his cowardly side.

 

The thing is, Duran had a very hard time making weight for the first fight. He was seen working out in thermals and multiple layers of clothing the day before the fight. This was covered in articles the day of the fight, and from what I remember neither Brown nor Arcel tried to deny it or lie about it. Duran also had issues going into Montreal because of a scare on a heart test. That too was widely covered at the time. So Duran was not some paragon of fitness going into the first fight and as far as I can tell, there really is no reason to believe that he was in better condition, had a better camp, or was better prepared going into the first fight.

And even if you expect Ray Arcel and Freddie Brown to lie profusely about Duran's condition before and immediately after the fight (where they consistently said he was in great shape physically and highly-motivated mentally), why didn't anyone else have anything negative to say about his conditioning or his performance in the month leading up to the fight? Reporters watched him train in public workouts in Miami and New Orleans, and as far as I can tell he drew nothing but rave reviews.

As a matter of fact, I might be mistaken but as far as I can tell, nobody who actually covered the rematch live seemed to think that Duran looked like a completely different fighter in it. The way fans tell it, the difference between the Duran of the two fights should have been so obvious that the commentators and reporters should have been beside themselves in amazement. They weren't though.

 

I don't feel any need. You are the one carrying it on, by being persistently inaccurate in your posts, at every turn - even your latest effort. If you want to keep spouting erroneous statements or stating your opinions as fact, you should expect to be corrected or challenged.

 

I'm not saying Duran did intentionally lose just putting the theory out there, perhaps he hadn't prepared properly and thought quitting midway through the fight would save him taking unnecessary punishment and thus be fresher for the rubber match.