Duran in today's welterweight scene?

The best welterweight version of Duran probably beats them all. Except for Mayweather and Cotto, the current crop of welterweights is quite ordinary. Duran's speed and aggresiveness foil all of Mayweather's efforts to carry-out a tactical fight, and he wins a decision as a roughed-up Mayweather barely makes it to the final bell. The proud Cotto is pretty competitive with Duran early on, but beaten nearly unrecognizable, falls hard late in the fight and is never the same fighter again. "El Cholo" ragdoll's the rest of them.

 

Duran struggled with boxers and movers in his welterweight and above days. Someone that brings the fight to him like Margarito or Williams would get torn apart. Its why he was able to beat Moore and Barkley (2 big imposing fighters). And for the record Margarito is ****, his punches are wide and telegraphed and he is sooo open.

 

9-3 is an undefendable score. Williams won no more than 8 rounds even if you're a relative of his.

And did you type this after you saw the Quintana fight? I can't believe you would have done that. I haven't seen the fight, so maybe Paul edged it, I don't know, but what I do know is that Paul at his current level would get drilled by Duran.

And dare I say the obvious, Carlos Quintana is no Esteban DeJesus and I don't think Paul is that green.

 

Can I see your scorecard for that 9-3? That's way too wide.

Duran's skills are in a different stratosphere from Margarito's. He isn't as big or as strong, but he would be on the inside and working Paul over like he wouldn't believe. He ain't going to be kept at bay with his slappy bull**** of a jab and 1-2's. Duran would walk right through that. If Margarito wasn't such a clutz, he'd have done it too.

What relevance does the Kirkland Laing fight have when discussing a 1979-80 Duran (i.e. one relatively near his prime)?

 

Well Duran was only 2years older against Benitez and Laing. Was he prime? No but he wasnt too far removed from it either so these 'movers' are a clear stylistic problem for Duran. Duran seems to get the most passes for his losses.

As for the scorecard I never keep them as I do them on scraps of paper but I did have it 9-3 round by round if memory serves me correct. If you search my old messages I put my scorecard up after the fight but I personally cant be bothered with that. Not really worth the bother now Williams has lost to Quintana but who knows he may come back to make some waves

 

Duran brutalizes them all, especially Williams and Cotto.

Williams has ZERO power at 147. You need power to even think about beating Duran in his prime. If Duran can walk right through all of your best shots, you're ****ed.

Cotto would be a good matchup, but he's outclassed here. His defence isn't as good, his power isn't as good (punch for punch), and his chin isn't as good. He's competitive early, but he gets brutally stopped around 6-8. The only thing he has on Duran is size, but he doesn't have any of the advantages that usually come with size (power and durability).

 

You mean that Club Fighter who got his ass kicked by Carlos Quintana could of beat Hands of Stone.
**** --- you really know your boxing.

 

ok he lost, but remember duran lost to esteban de jesus when esteban was a nobody, i guarantee duran got bashed for it. De jesus didnt become a top fighter till he beat duran and then won a title. When they actually met, who was esteban really, just a prospect.

 

Main differences of course being that Duran was 21 at the time and Paul Williams is 26 right now. He may go on to improve but I doubt he will to any great extent. As soon as he moves up in weight - which will probably be soon - and loses his height, reach advantages he will be exposed again.

Oh and another difference is that DeJesus went on to show that he was arguably a great fighter. I struggle to see Carlos going on to show that he is a good fighter.

 

is there any fighter from 135-147 range in todays era that you think will become greater than esteban de jesus?

You havent responded to my top 50 p4p list yet?

 

Floyd Mayweather most likely. Not sure about anyone else. I'm not big on Cotto (and I'm one who thought he beat Shane) but he has a way to go yet. Hatton doesn't really impress me. Maybe some youngster that I'm overlooking will come on but right now I don't see that much talent around really.

Will get to commentating on your p4p list :good

 

What do you think about Juan Diaz?

 

Haven't seen much of him to tell you the truth so I can't give you a solid opinion. He's fought a lot of guys on the way out and needs to fight someone relevant today for me to stand up and take serious notice.

 

He is ok, but I bet if he faces someone as average as Zab Judah he'll get ko'ed. He has good skills but I question his ability to take punishment.

 

Pretty much how I see it too. I think Margarito, Cintron, Judah would ice him, and the likes of Baldomir would get outboxed by him. Fights against Clottey and Collazo are winnable, but no sure things.