Duran - Leonard rematch timeline

It certainly opens up questions, physically.

 

I'm not sure what happened in between both fights, I can only speculate. I believe it was a combination of a lot of factors. Duran came into came overweight. Duran wasn't as diligent about his training habits even while in camp (Arcel's comment about Duran's late night snacks, who know what else went down). Duran lost a bit of the edge having just won the biggest fight of his life and the biggest purse of his life. I believe he was overconfident, and thought he could beat him much the same. He wasn't as proactive about his mental warfare because he thought he had already won. SRL was more prepared and in a better overall state than in the first fight.

What I am sure about, is that Duran's team prefight comments are next to useless. Even in his post fight comments he mentions that Duran, even while in training, might not be taking it as serious as previously (mentions late night snacks). So it's not like Arcel didn't comment that even while they were getting him down in camp that he was still "goofing off". So I'm not sure how any of that means he was in shape and had plenty of time to lose minimal weight. I think it all speaks to the opposite.

I gave you my view, so please give me yours... Is it your contention that Duran physical and mental condition was just as good for N.O. as it was for Montreal? Is it your opinion that Duran's camp was stellar and he got his weight down in the right amount of time to prep for the fight

 

Again, we're kind of going around in circles here. As others have said, we don't take any prefight comments as being worth very much. They simply aren't. So you listing a whole bunch of people who made comments doesn't add to the worth of the comments overall. Most of the "reporters" you're talking likely aren't able to notice any minor difference in Duran's training from one fight to the next. The see a guy who looks in pretty good job, doing a variety of workout exercises, so why would've they right that he was in shape? What exactly do reporters saying that prove? The trainers said contradicting things throughout the process. You claim Arcel said Duran was in a good shape and had plenty of time to get the weight down... he also says that Duran really ballooned up in between fights and was likely even eating late night snacks to further delay pushback the process. So it wasn't all peaches and cream training comments that you initially reported on. Plus, as I mentioned before, if they felt they needed to lie to protect Duran... Why wouldn't they feel the need to lie to protect themselves. You think it was in their interest to say... yeah Duran didn't have a good camp, we couldn't get him into the proper shape but we went ahead with the fight? That's logical? So all these people you claim to have made comments, comments most of us don't value, some of which contradicted other comments... I'm supposed to do what with those?

So again, it's your contention that Duran was in just as good of shape as he was for the first fight? How can you claim Duran had a stellar camp when Arcel comments don't all point to that.... His comments about Duran's shape prior to camp and him still indulging while in camp... Yet this convinces you of a stellar camp because they commented he was having a stellar camp pre fight?

 

I do recall during the Chavez-ODLH 2 in the corner right before they cut to a replay you can hear him say "...rodilla", and one of his corner man says "la rodilla". Rodilla is knee. Don't remember what was said during the post fight interview or if this was ever brought up in subsequent reports. Might be nothing or I might have misheard, just a bit of information.

 

Duran beats Leonard and takes his title. Leonard gets a rematch five months later. Leonard beats Duran and takes his title. Duran gets a rematch nine years later. Just saying.

 

Perhaps he was fibbing?

 

I think the biggest issue was his mental state.

He'd already climbed Everest and reached the summit.

I think he trained hard for the rematch, but he was never as focused nor had the same intensity as the first time around.

I think that he was just in a different mindset.

 

Well

Well, Leonard fought his heart out in a losing effort, Duran performed the most infamous quit job in the history of boxing. That probably influenced public interest for a rubber.

 

Duran was paid $8 million for the rematch and turned his back half way through the fight.
He didn't deserve a rematch. He'd cheated all the paying fans.

 

You do realize that Duran quitting made the rubber match unsellable until Duran had gone through all sorts of hoops to redeem himself, right?

It’s hard to sell a PPV/closed circuit fight that you’re asking people to pay pretty big money to see when it has the stench of a guy quitting mid-ring last time they fought with no accepted reason (not like he blew out a knee or wrenched his elbow or something).