"Duran-Moore" 1983 / Duran's true power there?

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  1. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I wouldn't just blow-off Ayala's power so quickly........... I asked myself what could Hearns do to Duran if Duran was able to hang with Hagler for 15 rds in 1983......... Well, Hearns parked a *****-whipped Duran inside of 2.......... Styles make fights.......... But I do agree that task would be way more difficult for Ayala to pull that type of scenario against Duran off......

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  2. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Morlocks,

    Did you just "reply" to your own goddamn statement????:huh:admin

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  3. The Morlocks

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    the voices have been loud lately!:hat
     
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  4. MRBILL

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    You should get that checked....:scaredas::hat

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  5. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Duran never fought a hitter as hard as Tony Ayala Jr. The Hearns fight is a good indicator of how Duran would've ended up had he tangled with the young bull. Whether a signature left hook(s) to the head or having his body pounded mercilessly, Duran is made to look his age.
     
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  6. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tony did have Tyson-like power. They didn't call him the "Tyson before Tyson" for nothing. What other 14-year old could've done that to prime Cuevas?

    I totally respect your views, but I personally just can't see Duran being able to cope with what Tony would throw at him. It would be Hagler actually coming to fight instead of trying to box.
     
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  7. MRBILL

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    Hearns had height and long reach along with leverage on Duran, which made Hearns' punches more wicked than perhaps they would be if he was forced to punch upward on an opponent..........

    Tony Ayala would not enjoy the type of leverage that Hearns enjoyed in the ring against Duran......... Hearns' punches were also quick as lightning prior to 1988...... Ayala was not a spitfire with his hands like Hearns...... Plus, in the manner in which Ayala threw his punches, I think Duran could see his attack coming.... Hearns delivered his shots much more precise and faster than Ayala could ever dream of doing.....

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  8. JohnThomas1

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    Tony was a big hitter, no doubt. But to put him in Tyson's class must be seriously challenged and questioned.

    Tyson's power was empirically tested and proven vs numerous present (at the time) and ex champions. He stopped quality fighters that had never been stopped before and dented plenty of durable and proven chins. He poleaxed Berbick in his first title challenge then stopped 7 out of 9 challengers in defenses and unifications of the title.

    Tony never had the opportunity to prove himself vs anyone above low B level. If that high. Obviously he could whack but we have to reign ourselves in a little here. There are too many what if's, even potentially.

    I always feel terrible when i rain on your enthusiastic parade. I know how much El Torito means to you.
     
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  9. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't worry, I don't take it personally! :good
     
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  10. MRBILL

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    We all know how Duran mauled Moore in 1983, and I gotta assume he'd have done much of that to Ayala in that same year, as well...........

    Duran was simply in a different league than either "Moore or Ayala." Done deal there....

    NOW! "Moore-Ayala" would've been a thrill--while it lasted....... But again, by 1983, Moore had faced the better opponents compared to Ayala...... Still anyone could win against Moore and Ayala.....

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  11. MRBILL

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    I'm gonna do my review of "Duran-Moore" of 1983 in a moment since I'm buzzin' with Bourbon. But again, I stress, if my man Duran was a wicked puncher at 154, how the hell did Moore stay on his feet in round 8 when it was clear he was done???? Moore had heart and soul, but still, a dude can only take so much......... Notice when the fight was called, Moore pounded his gloves together in disgust.... He was beat, but still there mentally....

    For the record....... I do think Davey Moore would''ve beaten Tony Ayala in 1983 had Ayala not been such a moronic criminal........ Moore had a good amateur background and had fought and beaten Ayub Kalule and Gary Guiden, while Ayale had beaten the average Robbie Epps......... Cheers....

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  12. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tony would've blown Moore full of holes, and wouldn't need to thumb Davey in the eye to do it. El Torito routs him in 4 competitive rounds, and Duran subsequently receives similar treatment.
     
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  13. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lax,

    Are you related to Ayala? Never in my life have I seen such loyalty towards an "Unproven" fighter like Tony Ayala in my life, except maybe for the pre 1982 "Cooney" freaks.......

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  14. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What's your beef with Tomorrow's Champions? Some of them were actually good fighters, a couple( Czyz, Tucker), were World Champions.
     
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  15. laxpdx

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    No, not related. I've read a lot about the guy over the years and watched his early fights. I just think he would've been dominant.

    I'm definitely in the minority, but I've always been the odd man out in one way or another. I've become accustomed to it. I think Aspergers' syndrome has something to do with it. Not my opinions, but rather my obsessions with certain subjects, one being Tony Ayala.
     
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