Duran (of the Barkley fight) vs Mayweather (of the Pac fight)

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Canelo vs Barkley I see quite like Quarry vs Lyle, with the difference that Canelo wouldn't really be smaller in terms of weight.

    For Cotto, the fights with Margarito might be a clue. Margarito was also big, strong and very durable, but limited in terms of skill. So I suppose it depends a lot on which fight one thinks showed the truest picture of the fighters.
     
  2. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    What about Hearns fans? Do they overate Barkley too?
     
  3. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why's that?

    It's not like we're discussing Greb or someone who's not on film.

    All of these guys can readily been seen on youtube.

    I just happen to believe that Barkley fought a damn good fight against Duran, as echoed by Gil Clancy.

    And that given that he beat Hearns twice, I really don't know why he's getting slammed.

    I honestly don't see either Canelo or Cotto beating Hearns, but it certainly appears that I may be in the minority here.
     
  4. Dubal Speek

    Dubal Speek Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mayweather could win by but Duran could pull it off too. A draw seems like a good choice but either man can win.
     
  5. Kryptonite

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    Barkley would beat the **** out of Cotto and Canelo you morons. The people who discredit Barkley on here seem to be the ones who like to discredit Duran. An obvious agenda by Koolkev and the like.
     
  6. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Break it down for us, please. Why is it so obvious to you that Barkley beats the **** out of Saul Alvarez? I might be a moron but I assure you that I do not have any agenda. I'm just not that impressed with Barkley compared to other champions at 154-175. I've always found him to be lacking in speed, ring smarts, and skills, especially defensively.
     
  7. Kryptonite

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    Alvarez is seriously overrated. Floyd fans bump their gums about Duran fans overrated fighters like Barkley when they do the exact same with one dimensional plodders like Alvarez.

    Could Alvarez beat Hearns X2?
     
  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    The Hearns point is neither here nor there. Alvarez can certainly be outboxed by fighters with very good outside games, but I think that he is a very formidable opponent for limited brawlers and infighters.
     
  9. Kryptonite

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    Based on what?
     
  10. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    The Duran of the Barkley fight vs the Mayweather of the Pac fight couldn't happen.. They'd have to meet at a catch weight somewhere which means you'd be looking at two totally different men by the time those adjustments were made.
     
  11. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So I guess the implication is that the Barkley who just before he fought Duran, knocked out Hearns, was a limited brawler. And yet during the fight with Duran, he worked the full 3 minutes most rounds, used his jab very effectively, throw combinations and worked the body extremely well and as Gil Clancy said, was significantly better than when he fought Hearns.

    Is that the gist of your argument?
     
  12. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I would take out some of those adjectives but other than that, sure. :D
     
  13. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The older, heavier Duran didn't have the footspeed to close on Mayweather and impose his style of fight...The Duran of lightweight and early welterweight fights did though...
     
  14. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't see Cotto and, especially, Canelo beating Hearns either. But as you know it isn't as simple as that.

    By that logic Barkley would obliterate Duran within a minute, since Barkley KO'd Hearns who in turn crushed a younger version of Duran. But that clearly didn't happen.

    Hearns was at his best against counter punchers while Barkley was at his best against those who wanted to slug it out with him.

    Duran at that point had also turned into a counter puncher. He still had the skill, smarts and toughness to give it a good go mid ring against those who would come to him - as evidenced against Barkley, and Hagler before that. But he no longer had the foot speed to chase really good movers down, as shown against Leonard in the fight after Barkley.
     
  15. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can agree with all of that but l don't think the 38 year old Mayweather was all that great of a mover and Pac and Canelo both had Mayweather on the ropes for a prolonged period of time. Pac simply let him off the ropes, something Duran never would have allowed, at least without landing many more punches.