I think I'm giving him credit for what he was able to do before he even fought Duran -- why pretend the guy didnt ripple through the division like the beaming talent he was? Those wins over the 'ordinary' contenders count for sonething MAG. It gives his resume some bulk beyond the big names he has.
Roberto Duran was a tuff champion. a Rich Man's Gatti if you will. Good power, big heart, decent foot work, semi decent jab and a passable inside game. I rate Duran on the same tier as that of Frank Bruno, except Duran had more luck. If Bruno knew how to finish or landed that punch 20 seconds earilier against Prime Tyson. He would have had a Leonard like Victory on his resume as well. Sugar Ray Leonard on the other hand is God .
As for Duran moving up to MW to beat Barkley. Times change man. The 90's and current MW Era is much much deeper. Sure Duran could beat one Dem slugger Barkley. But can he beat Gennady Golevkin if it was GGG that night? Or Peter Quillien? It's one thing to take shots from Barkley, another to take shots from Golevkin. If Duran moved up in today's era.. I think he will end up flat on his back.
You can't be more wrong man. He wasn't past his prime when he fought Tommy Hearns. Duran made weight prefectly and told the world 'im in the best shape of my life' He was past his prime in 1989 onwards. Fighters age differently man. Bernard Hopkins was still eilte fighting Pavlik at age 43. Now I'm not saying he was still 'prime' against Barkley. No I'm not,but he was definitely still elite. The truth is the Barkley fight open my eyes to his limitations. Duran can't deal with movement or combination punching. He got a good jab for a tiny guy and he is a tuff inside fighter.. but tuffness just can't get you past the World Class fighters . Tuffness gets you only so far. Roberto Duran is like Buster Douglas in that they both had one great moment and people forever focus on that moment for the rest of boxing history. I rate Duran though as a good belt holder and I think he will be a top 5 fighter in today's 147 division.
yeah but if people give fighters a top 10 ATG ranking for the mediocre guys, then where does Virgil Hill rank, who I think is underrated because he lacked the charisma Duran had. But Virgil beat some good guys. Or Hopkins or Jones. Tyson in his heavyweight reign, yet not many guys rank Mike lower than 25.
What he really needed at that stage in his career to validate his legacy was a Pat Lawlor-type fighter to quit against.
yeah, no. That was actually JeanPaulValley's avatar... McGrain annihilated him in some heated Lennox Lewis debate and I dont think hes been back since.