Duran vs Crawford and Lomachenko

George Crowcroft · Oct 27, 2019

Diamond Dallas Paige said: ↑

Crawford is too skilled, duran would be schooled by Crawford his too slick too smart, duran would quit just like he did wi Sugar ray..
Lomachenko would outbox and outclass Duran period
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Something tells me you haven't watched much of a prime Duran

Blaxx · Oct 27, 2019

roughdiamond said: ↑

Crawford had to lowblow to beat Khan ffs.
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The irony.

On topic, Crawford has a chance, Loma IMO doesn't have much of one.

roughdiamond · Oct 27, 2019

Blaxx said: ↑

The irony.

On topic, Crawford has a chance, Loma IMO doesn't have much of one.
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Guess you didn't read this.

roughdiamond said: ↑

Yeah, I guess you're right. It's just annoying saying people like Loma and Crawford are somehow gonna beat Duran, at lightweight.

I wouldn't necessarily call Khan a quitter though. He's proven his heart before, and lowblow like that are debilitating.
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Yes I know it was accidental.

roughdiamond · Oct 27, 2019

My take on the Duran vs Loma, from the 'previous generations thread' a while ago.

roughdiamond said: ↑

Edit: please read all.

Says the guy making snide comments about the 1940's for some reason (wrong era by the way). Got a response to how 3 round amateur bouts with headgear would be different? Of course there's a lot less chance of being stopped in those circumstances. Do you think Duran would be KOd ever there?

So Duran can hurt opponents like Sugar Ray Leonard, Stop Buchanan, beat Ernesto Marcel, KO DeJesus twice etc. Why don't you think Duran could KO him? All men had attributes like Loma (For example, Marcel's movement, Buchanan's brain, Leonard's speed), and were more durable too. Duran dealt with them all at 135 to 147. All were elite.
Even opponents such as Leonico Ortiz shows Duran's adaptions to Southpaws. Of course, Loma is a higher class than him, but how would Loma deal with the tactics such as Duran's shifting, multi faceted jab, inside fighting and physical presence? Because Loma doesn't have any physical advantages, and I just can't see him overcoming Duran, through pure skill alone.
Duran even beat opponents who used excessive movement (Bizzaro etc.). Basically pure runners are who Duran had trouble with at 135. Would Loma box like this? He's never shown anything like it before. He mostly wants to engage and moves offensively with his feet, and volume punches on the front foot rather than counter on the backfoot.

I also noted Loma seems to mark up and be backed up by body-shots much more regularly at 135 (such as in the Campell bout), due to his naturally smaller frame and stature. This would certainly come into play. Do you not think Duran would exploit this? How would Loma defend this? Tell me.

Duran definitely has the technical skills and IQ on par or exceeding Loma (Ray Arcel, ATG trainer, even stated similar himself), and they directly contrast Loma's own style, such as his short, blended inside offense and clinch skills hindering his angled resets. He's one of the best on the inside ever, an area where Loma doesn't exceed in and is troubled. Bigger, stronger and very skilled boxers like Sugar Ray Leonard couldn't keep him away from inside fighting. How would Lomachenko do it?

It wouldn't happen offensively, and Loma doesn't box defensively through his feet or style overall. Would he somehow change for one bout?

As I said, Loma doesn't like to inside fight and roughhouse, and prefers to work volume. He turns the angle to reset to center ring. Brilliant, sure. But how will he adapt to when Duran counters, inside fights and even roughhouses him. How would Loma adapt? Duran is 100x Salido in skill and pressure, and bigger. How would he do it? What do you think?

I'm not even sure what your full point is. And I don't know why your taking my statements like a personal attack on Lomas skill and greatness. I'm a big fan of the guy, been watching him since 2014. I've watched most of the amateur stuff too. Please don't disengage, I actually want to know how you think Loma would do it. I even apologise for being rash if it helps. This is a genuinely honest post. Don't be all bluster.

I also do think Loma has genuinely ATG skills, and could hang with and beat ATGs. Just not styles like Duran or Armstrong.
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George Crowcroft · Oct 27, 2019

roughdiamond said: ↑

Guess you didn't read this.

Yes I know it was accidental.
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I think he meant the Irony of Duran and Buchanan

robert ungurean · Oct 27, 2019

James9753 said: ↑

Which fighter out of Crawford and Lomachenko would give Roberto Duran the post problems? Considering Loma has said he won't go above 135, we'll matchup Duran against Loma at 135 and then have Duran against Crawford at either 140 or 147. What happens in both fights and who do you guys believe gives the legendary Duran the most problems in the ring?
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Who has Crawford beat to be even considered here??? Nobody

Blaxx · Oct 27, 2019

roughdiamond said: ↑

Guess you didn't read this.

Yes I know it was accidental.
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Duran was quite dirty vs Buchanan and the final blow of the fight, a low blow left Buchanan with permanent damage, if I have my facts right.
I think it's a bit disingenuous that comment about Crawford and Khan.

On topic, I have Duran beating both of them. I think he deals with Loma almost easily and Crawford less comfortably.

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