Duran vs Leonard aftermath

boxer101 · Feb 1, 2015

The Masked Man said: ↑

I'm with you on this. I already put my two cents in. Everyone here knows my stance on the matter. I don't feel like arguing anymore with halfwits who troll here
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There will always be troll. But my point was to discuss fights where the winner was no longer the same after the victory. And that is what i was talking about. Duran never fought with the same stamina and intensity after that fight. I just wanted to hear what everyone else thought about it and get some other examples of similar occurrences

The Masked Man · Feb 1, 2015

boxer101 said: ↑

There will always be troll. But my point was to discuss fights where the winner was no longer the same after the victory. And that is what i was talking about. Duran never fought with the same stamina and intensity after that fight. I just wanted to hear what everyone else thought about it and get some other examples of similar occurrences
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In some ways he wasnt. But I noticed he fought less intense after the Cuevas fight. To be honest, after the first Leonard fight, I don't think he was as hungry.

Vanboxingfan · Feb 1, 2015

boxer101 said: ↑

I know that, duran is my favorite fighter followed by leonard, hagler and then hearns. Duran fighting hagler would be the equivalent of mayweather fighting GGG. Although Hagler is much more accomplished than GGG. People would definitely give mayweather a pass for not fighting ggg so likewise duran had no business fighting at middleweight yet he still kicked ass. I get annoyed when people claim duran is over rated because he lost many fights. The question is how can you expect a lightweight to consistently beat weltherweights and strong middle weights. We dont expect mayweather to move up to middleweight and beat fighters like ggg, hagler, hearns, hopkins etc. That is unrealistic and speaks of a hidden agenda. I also don't understand why people cant be fans of multiple fighters. They think being a fan of a particular fighter means hating on another great fighter
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Very wise words. As to Duran's intensity it's hard to say whether the first fight was the height of his intensity. I mean he was definitely intense against Moore and Cuevas, both were very high quality wins, even though Moore was far less experienced than Duran. Add to that I think if the fight had affected Duran the way you're suggesting he never would have won the Barkley fight. That, to me, was the performance of his career.

bigbeatbaby · Feb 1, 2015

c-man shooter said: ↑

I feel like smashing your yellow ****ing snaggled teeth in Boxing_Master
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why? he's right

boxer101 · Feb 1, 2015

Vanboxingfan said: ↑

Very wise words. As to Duran's intensity it's hard to say whether the first fight was the height of his intensity. I mean he was definitely intense against Moore and Cuevas, both were very high quality wins, even though Moore was far less experienced than Duran. Add to that I think if the fight had affected Duran the way you're suggesting he never would have won the Barkley fight. That, to me, was the performance of his career.
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I agree that he showed intensity in those fight but not the same level of intensity as the 1st leonard fight. Firstly leonard was much faster than cuevas and moore so duran had to be in top shape to handle that speed and dodge those combinations leonard was throwing. notice how fast duran had to charge in order to push leonard into the ropes while avoiding the incoming fire. In the second fight duran was trying the same tactic of bulling leonard into the ropes but this time he was just slow enough to get peppered with crisp combinations. go to minute 11:53 in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d41GgTIFc9A and notice how fast duran closes the distance and corners leonard. at 12:15 and specially at 20:37 look how fast leonard punches and how quickly duran dodges and shots a counter, their speed is almost the same and duran is able to land the counter.

Now look at the 2nd fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7aChC6U3Ks after minute 26:47 leonard begins shooting jabs to the body. Now duran is known for his quick counter right which he landed in the first fight specially over leonards jab. So leonard shooting jabs to the body was providing duran with a great oportunity to land his right but he doesn't even throw it. Although leonard is moving much more in this fight he start getting closer to duran and yet duran is not able to make him pay. After minute 27 you can clearly see that leonard notices that duran is not countering as fast and as hard as before and he starts engaging duran in range, now in the 1st fight duran would make leonard pay whenever he was in range. During the first fight duran would usually win the exchanges on the inside but now (check out minute 28:04 and 28:12) duran is unable to win the exchanges on the ropes. Now leonard did not magically become faster and duran had not taken any punishment that could have affected him so much as to drain his reflexes and stamina.

The Barkley fight is more of a display of grit and perseverance as the pace was not as fast and furious as the leonard fight.

The Masked Man · Feb 1, 2015

Vanboxingfan said: ↑

Very wise words. As to Duran's intensity it's hard to say whether the first fight was the height of his intensity. I mean he was definitely intense against Moore and Cuevas, both were very high quality wins, even though Moore was far less experienced than Duran. Add to that I think if the fight had affected Duran the way you're suggesting he never would have won the Barkley fight. That, to me, was the performance of his career.
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I thought Duran fought at a much more measured pace against Moore. He ruoughed up Moore subtly and was more patient. Could have been to due to him slowing down, not training as much, or just choosing a less stamina consuming style, it's hard to say

Vanboxingfan · Feb 1, 2015

Well I am distinguishing intensity from speed as I don't think they are the same. In my mind at least, Duran was displayed intensity when he quickly reversed positions on the ropes and spin Moore into them, and again when he hit Moore with a punch the announcer was saying it lifted him off the ground. Even walking through punches and stalking him is a certain kind of intensity, at least in my mind.

boxer101 · Feb 1, 2015

Vanboxingfan said: ↑

Well I am distinguishing intensity from speed as I don't think they are the same. In my mind at least, Duran was displayed intensity when he quickly reversed positions on the ropes and spin Moore into them, and again when he hit Moore with a punch the announcer was saying it lifted him off the ground. Even walking through punches and stalking him is a certain kind of intensity, at least in my mind.
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good point, but i think that there is a noticeable difference in duran's reflexes, speed and intensity between the two fights. He was able to quickly counter leonard anytime leonard was in range and yet in the second fight he couldn't hit leonard within range

Vanboxingfan · Feb 1, 2015

boxer101 said: ↑

good point, but i think that there is a noticeable difference in duran's reflexes, speed and intensity between the two fights. He was able to quickly counter leonard anytime leonard was in range and yet in the second fight he couldn't hit leonard within range
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Well the 2nd fight certainly wasn't Duran at his best, but to me he certainly was intense in both the Moore and the Barkley fights. Against Barkley he absorbed a tremendous amount of punishment but he also avoided 6 punches in a row, and that 4-5 punch combo to floor Barkley was a thing of beauty, but to pull that off required a great deal of intensity, timing, reflects etc.

In fact to even win that fight required a great deal of intensity because after the fight Barkley just said the man just wouldn't go down. I hit him with punches that would have dropped a wall but the guy took them. (or words to that effect)

Guess to some extent it depends on what intensity means. If it means determination and focus, Duran had it in spades in both those fights. If it means speed then not so much.

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