Duran Vs Oscar At Welter

There are fighters today who could handle the 15 round distance easily if they trained for it.

Oscar De la Hoya is not one of them.

 

JT, my ratings are done 'pound for pound' meaning throughout the careers of both.

I'll stick with Duran's power being 7.5 and on par with De La Hoya's. People might agree with the winner I favor in each category, although the wideness of the scoring will obviously conjure up some debate.

Defense: I'll stick with Duran at 8.5, which is a very high. I would perhaps give the 9.0 and 9.5 to fighters such as Whitaker, Pep, Locche, etc. Obviously they weren't attacking fighters and their style gives them a slight edge. As they were 'outright' defenders and pure boxers.

I guess Duran's intelligence does deserve an extra half point, 9.0.

I'm not budging on De La Hoya scoring over Duran in the category's, jab, speed, and combinations.

 

FAIL. Duran faced and defeated a guy, June of 1980 who had a superior jab, speed and combinations to any version of Oscar. Sugar Ray simply put, owned Oscar in every catergory.

 

This is absolute codswhallop Robbi. Do you have any idea how many people had to progress instantly from 10 rounds (not even 12!) to 15 in order to fight for the world title over the years?? Not only fight for it, but have a serious think about how many won despite never having fought over 10 rounds. Hell, Duran himself had to do it against Buchanan!!

Buthow could they win if they'd never ever fought 15 rounds whilst their opponent had?

Examples of fighters winning titles over 15 rounds despite having never gone that distance before whilst their opponent had are too numerous to mention. There is decades of it.

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Whats your point? I never said De La Hoya beats Duran. Go back to the general.

 

Your talking complete shite JT. That above I fully understand. Some fighters are not given a chance when they have a string of early KO's. Lets say a fighter has a record of 20-0, and he's not been past 6 rounds. Obviously he's a knockout puncher. And when that fighter is matched against a durable, seasoned, tough fighter who's been the distance on many occassions, it might be latter who's favored to win simply because he's been there. Yeah?

Every prediction is done with the evidence of hindsight, right? Well all the predictions on here, Robinson v Leonard, Ali v Louis, are done with what we know of their previous. Styles, power, boxing ability, chin, how they coped with certain situations against fighters with a similar style to who they are matched against, etc, etc.

The fighters who "had to progress instantly from 10 rounds (not even 12!) to 15 in order to fight for the world title over the years?? Not only fight for it, but have a serious think about how many won despite never having fought over 10 rounds. Hell, Duran himself had to do it against Buchanan" Yes, but we got awnsers with them. If they were able to adapt to going the extra 5 rounds or whatever. They were going into the unknown, but at least we knew if they had it or not. The same can't be said of fighters who weren't even given the opportinity to do so.

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For a fool who thinks Nessie is real, you arent as dumb as you look.

 

We didn't know if they had it or not at all :blood

That's the complete premise of your argument and you just blew it completely out of the water

You entirely miss the point, and i can't dumb it down any more than i have sorry. I'm sure Stonehands follows with crystal clarity.

 

We didn't before the first bell rang, but after they jumped from 10 to 15....we got awnsers.

This is clarity.

The fighters who "had to progress instantly from 10 rounds (not even 12!) to 15 in order to fight for the world title over the years?? Not only fight for it, but have a serious think about how many won despite never having fought over 10 rounds. Hell, Duran himself had to do it against Buchanan"

Yes, but we got awnsers with them. If they were able to adapt to going the extra 5 rounds or whatever. They were going into the unknown, but at least we knew if they had it or not. The same can't be said of fighters who weren't even given the opportinity to do so.

Thats the differnce and completley makes a mockery of your arguement. "Duran had to do it" And he did. Hopkins, De La Hoya and Pacquaio never even got a sniff at it.


Thats beyond clarity.

 

Hops and Pac would have done well with 15 rounds, they are stamina athletes. Oscar barely deals with 12, as he proved last Cinco de Mayweather.

 

Duran would stop Oscar while telling him what he'd do to his wife.

 

As i said, straight over the mop.

 

IMO, the most likely outcome is a Duran UD win.

 

I agree totally. It's easy to get carried away with matches like this. The reality is that even the greatest of the great when fighting another great have a hard time taking them out. Oscar is no easy beat and nor is he silly. I'd be surprised if his class and experience didn't allow im to go the distance. A lot lesser men have lasted against a fine version of Duran. 9-6 or 10-5 might be applicable.

 

Nice sensibility JT. You're showing De La Hoya respect with those scores. What your basically saying is he gets beat in a competitive fight, over the distance. Some people here wouldn't be as kind as yourself. I agree though, he lasts the course.