Duran Vs Oscar At Welter

Agreed. Very good, although not great. I think he's shown flashes of being great in both areas. Just never sustained it to actually be great.

I find it hard to disagree with the first one. I would take the De La Hoya who fought Trinidad to comfortably beat the New Orleans version of Duran. Similar style to how Leonard controlled Duran. Certainly when it comes to lots of movement and staying off the ropes. I thought De La Hoya's jab and combinations that night were quality. Down the stretch is a concern for both fighters going on the evidence of both fights I mentioned.

 

No version of DLH could have beaten any version of Duran. The "New Orleans" version still outboxes Hoya 7 days a week, twice on Sunday. :hi:

 

In 15--Duran by decision. I'd say 11-4 or 10-5

 

There is no case to be made for Oscar,

 

The New Orleans version never even attempted to box with Leonard, so where is the evidence that he would out-box De La Hoya? I'll awnser that for you. None whatsoever.

Duran was stuck in third gear throughout his rematch with Leonard. His head movement was not in it's usual 'working order'. He never set a significant amount of pace when closing the distance or with his punch activity for that matter to cause Leonard problems. The rounds that he won were mainly based upon Leonard seldom throwing when moving and letting Duran bully him on the ropes. And even then Duran's work wasn't convincing and clean. The rounds he won, he won barely.

De La Hoya isn't losing this fight. His double jab would land on a regular basis. His movement and speed would also bother Duran. And going by Duran's sluggish reflexes, De La Hoya easily steps into mid-range and outscores him, before departing to get back into bossing the fight at long range.

Looking thoroughly at Duran's performance against Leonard in their rematch, I can't make a case for him beating the De La Hoya who fought Trinidad. The evidence just isn't there.

A peak welterweight Duran beats any welterweight version of De La Hoya.

 

The cruix of the matter is that 15 round fighters have an advantage over fighters who only went 12 throughout their careers when it comes to predictions. True or false? Try and give me a straight forward awnser. No 'beating about the bush' as they say.

Hopkins and Pacquiao could easily go 15 rounds?. Speculation. Pure and utter guess work. I agree that they probably could. But it just adds extra question marks and presents an uneven playing field.

I have no problem with people giving these type of predictions over 15 rounds, but it clearly favors the tried and trusted.

 

Lets go over this again. The Oscar who LOST against Trinidad looked like a scared Prostitute running away from an enraged and aroused Ike Ibeabuchhi. If he ran against Trinidad, I imagine he would have sprouted wings and flew around the ring against Duran.

 

Back to the general, where you belong. You're content over here holds no quality or class by any means. You are simply an immature child with an obession for the 'Golden Boy'.

I think you're drunk tonight. Not the 'Montreal' version of Duran, but the 'New Orleans' one who was out of shape, slow, lacking in ferocity, and performing poorly for as long as the fight lasted.

Now Jack, back to the general. Be a good boy, please.

 

Leonard was on the way to comfortably beating Duran. It takes a Leonard level fighter to comfortably beat that Duran. De la Hoya is most certainly not a Leonard level fighter. Jack may be a slightly more humorous version of our own redrooster, but I have to agree with him here. If de la Hoya ran from Trinidad, it's hard to see him doing any different against Duran, who even in that state was a superior boxer to Felix Trinidad.

De la Hoya simply doesn't have the ability to do a Ray Leonard. Simple as that.

 

What impressed you about Duran's showing against Leonard that night? While De La Hoya overall isn't quite on Leonard's level as a fighter, he's got enough tools to handle that Duran. Lets not forget, Duran wasn't impressive when he had brief success against Leonard. And to say that he wouldn't have problems dealing with a moving De La Hoya who was popping out the jab with great effect, doubling it, and throwing pin-point combinations to the body and head of Trinidad is ridiculous.

Even when De La Hoya ran from Trinidad over the final 2-3 rounds, he wasn't taking much in return. I can't see an out of shape Duran doing much better than Trinidad in similar circumstances.

Perhaps De La Hoya wouldn't clown, bolo punch, and drop his shoulders. But he'd dominate Duran as well as Leonard did when looking at his strategy and overall approach from the Trinidad performance. Especially when it comes to variety, I tend to think he could surpass Leonard. Outwith the odd jab and quick flurry, Leonard's feet done him the biggest favor.

Duran never had it that night. He seemed to lack interest and his mind wasn't as tuned as in the previous encounter.

And De La Hoya never ran from Trinidad throughout the fight. He boxed very well for 9 rounds while moving laterally, pot-shotting, jabbing, and picking off all offense coming his way behind a high guard.

Duran isn't the superman you tend to think. And trust me, it's not only Leonard who beats him when it comes to his poorest showing as a welterweight when he was anything but impressive in everything done for as long as it lasted.

 

It's all relative Robbi. Duran didn't really impress me in the second Leonard fight compared to the first, but relative to DLH's welterweight showings, I still think the Duran of the second Leonard fight is better.

Duran's ferocity, though it wasn't at Montreal level, would still be enough to get to de la Hoya, land some body shots and slow him down nicely for the second half of the fight. We are talking 15 rounds aren't we?

I'm assuming of course that Duran won't quit with frustration, given that I think it was Leonard's taunting that caused him to quit more than frustration at the fact that he couldn't seem to get at Leonard.

 

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

 

No, I think I'll stay here a while. The lack of knowledge and the weirdo-imagination of yourself and a few other Classic Posters makes me nauseous. I, however, will tell the General Forums what a bunch of no knowledge crackheads post here. The "Trinidad" version of DLH was frightened, and ran out of balls after the 10th.

 

The New Orleans version of Leonard was frightened as well. He moved faster than De La Hoya did against Trinidad over the first 8 rounds. He beat Duran. Did you forget?

 

No. I havent forgotten how Oscar nearly sprout wings in the 12th and flew around the ring like an East LA version of Tinkerbell.