Duran's best performance

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  1. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes Benitez gets credit. Duran knew Benitez was great and Benitez had a title.Duran after his fight in November of 1980 to win another title and redeem himself against a top fighter like Benitez was motivated and this was January of 1982.. one year and 2 months late , and the word was he was in shape and motivated and looked good in training and so was Benitez. Benitez said I am a smart fighter which is not good for him. And it was not. You bet Duran wanted this fight. It is not comparable to Kirkland Laing with no title. Benitez beat him easily. Benitez out smarted him. On the ropes, on the inside everywhere. That is a fact.. And Duran was not washed up. Fought another 19 years and 35-40 fights.
     
  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I stick by what I always say about Duran and what I said for years and years. When he fought the great fighters I give him the benefit of the doubt that he knew how great they were so he knew what he as up against and was in shape and he lost to them easily. I do not accept excuses. He lost easily. Not just slightly. He beat Moore and Barkley but those are not great fighters and not even in the Hall of Fame. When Duran fought greats he lost. That is fact. Agenda? The truth is my agenda and giving Benitez credit when he was champ beating Duran easily in many ways. Inside and on the outside. Against the ropes.. And Duran lasted until 2001. This was 1982.
     
  3. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have been saying what I said about Duran for years also. I think my points are valid.
     
  4. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Didn't read, Mag 1965, too long. You never gave Laing credit anyway so it doesn't matter. Since Laing beat the same Duran at 154 that Benitez did, Laing must have been a great fighter as well. Give him credit at least will you, you lying liar?
     
  5. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I just noticed the word excuses in your post here you lying liar. The next time you make excuses for Tommy and Leonard, I will remind you and repost those excuses that you regularly write over and over again Mag1965. You can COUNT ON that you hypocrite. Oops, I haven't posted in awhile. I must have quit posting again lol.
     
  6. Clinton

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    I'm having too much fan exposing that lying hypocrite
     
  7. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Moore and Barkley weren't great fighters but merely very good. That's why Duran got lucky with them.
    Benitez was a great fighter, Davey Moore wasn't. Wilfredo couldn't survive the 2nd round against against the guy Duran tortered. I'll have to go back to the lab and check this math
     
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  8. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It is logic. I started the discussion years ago when it came to people saying Duran was top 10 ATG and I wondered how he made it there. I didn't think the wins were there and I still don't. Some of boxing history is rated more by image rather than by facts. You are right. Moore and Barkley were not great fighters and very good. Decent. No one can say they were great. The wins are overstated a bit by Duran. Absolutely, and yet his losses against Leonard, Benitez and Hearns were excused, and this is not fair to boxing history or to those greats who beat a great fighter.

    And about Wilfredo and Moore. Anyone can say that .. Someone could say. Duran got destroyed by a guy Benitez went 15 with and Ray beat, and also Benitez outclassed Duran in January of 1982 when Duran was only 30. He fought another 35-40 times. I think if you are seen as great, your matches against other greats are more significant than matches against Moore and Barkley. Certainly. They are not? The Hearns match against Duran is not more significant than Duran against Moore? Of course it is because Hearns in boxing history means much more than Moore. What greats did Duran beat to make him top 10 ATG? That was always my point. They say Ray. Or Marcel. or Dejesus or Palomino and I have gone over all of those. It was not made as a trolling, it was meant for people to come up with answers and his fans do not come up with anything to back up top 10 ATG. Top 30 ATG? Sure, but top 10? He beat Leonard one time and then he was outclassed by he, Benitez and Hearns later on. This is my point. The Benitez Moore fight? Why not mention the Hilton fight. I remember Rene Jacquot when he hurt his ankle.. Was that against Mugabi?
     
  9. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The shifty guy is talking about lying or excuses? Talking about excuses on a Duran post? He made excuses everytime he lost, and that was to legends. How ironic. I don't care what you do. I want you to do this. You already quit. It doesn't matter what you do now. You can count on me to answer any comment addressed to me, even by someone like you and John Thomas. The shifty boys. The fan boys. And my point was and it stands that Benitez never got credit for beating Duran rather easily. In many ways inside, outside against the ropes. Benitez was a great and he had speed. Crytonite to Duran.
     
  10. JC40

    JC40 Boxing fan since 1972 Full Member

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    Geezuz Pernell, as more than a few other posters have stated " the title of the thread is Duran's best performance " yet you have filled it with page after page of you criticising him and you just keep going on and on with it.

    Start your own thread about Duran where you can type all the criticism you like. There was no need at all to ruin what could have been a good thread.

    Cheers.
     
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  11. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sure you are. You know you quit before so now you have to keep coming back because your ego won't let you quit again. But you already quit. It does not matter. You are predictable. And also , the points about Duran stand and they will remembered more because of you keeping this thread around. A great fighter but not top 10 ATG in my mind.
     
  12. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was done posting here and Clinton keeps calling me back. And I always respond to posts addressed to me. And I want to stick to the posts topic which is Duran otherwise it is about something not pertaining to Duran. It was not critique about Duran as much as how does he get to top 5 or top 10 ATG.. That is how it started. The ranking of great fighters baffles me sometimes. It is so subjective, but at the same time I always thought ranking a great fighter has to be done after seeing how they do against other greats.
     
  13. JC40

    JC40 Boxing fan since 1972 Full Member

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    Mate the thread's topic is " Duran's best performance". Do you lack the reading comprehension to understand that ?

    It has nothing to do with your opinions on Duran's p4p rating. Its not brain surgery mate. Your only contribution to this thread has been to take it off topic with another one of your anti Duran diatribes.

    Your points are all COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to the actual topic made by the thread starter.

    I wont bother replying again as another back n forth on an irrelevant matter to the thread is disrespectful to the person who started it.

    Cheers.
     
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  14. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have gone through this with many people on here. And I have always been respectful, but others got upset when I said what I feel and want to keep talking to me so how can I not respond. You can call this disrespect, but it is not about me. I have always kept the high road. I will always respond if addressed to. I believe what I say about Duran. As for Clinton when he stopped last time I didn't mention anything else. He is the instigator so if people have problems with me on here still commenting talk to Clinton or John Thomas, who sort of controls the strings to Clinton. But I am not an instigator I am just responding, but I do believe in fairness in boxing.

    I have always been respectful on the boxing message boards and I state my opinion. I don't make friends on here, and I don't care one way or the other. The point is about boxing. The disrespect for the thread is not me. Initially I noticed how Benitez was not getting the credit he should. Duran was getting credit for Leonard one and Moore, and Benitez was before the Moore fight and Hagler for that matter and there was no mention of him. Nothing. You can say why not make a post about Benitez, yet it was about no comment about Benitez. Duran fans are so closed minded or fragile to critique? His image or reputation is that shaky? It seems like it is because one mention of the things I say and people sure get upset, but this is about discussion of the truth. His fans cannot take someone saying what about the Benitez fight?. Granted the thread was about Duran's best performance, but any comments about him losing to the great fighters is not allowed? This is fanboy stuff. It is not about truth then. Ignoring significant fights just to build someone up without fairness to history? Duran already made excuses for all his losses to greats and disrespected boxing history, so I want to be fair. Fair to Benitez. He is a great fighter who does not get the credit he should. Duran gets more than enough. It is about image. But I always keep things respectful if people give me respect.. And generally that is all the time. Take care.
     
  15. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's ban worthy for mine. Purposely ruining a great thread for others after being told time and again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again..........
     
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