Duran's Defense

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  1. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Instinctually, but I imagine that a lot of what he did was taught and implemented through practice. You could be right though. I think would be far more unconventional and technically incorrect if he wasn't taught at some point or level.

    What exactly did Arcel do for Duran, then? Implement strategies?
     
  2. Legend X

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    Yeah, i think someone probably taught him the basics when he started boxing. I'm not sure, but I would certainly think so.

    I'm not sure what Arcel and Brown did with Duran.
    Maybe tweaked a few things, or maybe were just there to put him through his training regime and gauge his progress, get him to peak his condition at the right time.
     
  3. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    :lol::rofl
     
  4. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Duran already knew how to fight when Arcel and Brown came on the scene. I do believe working with Freddie Brown day to day improved Duran`s boxing skills especially his infighting finesse. The angles he gave and his boxing accuracy on the inside.

    Freddie Brown mightve been the great boxing teacher who ever lived.
     
  5. TheSouthpaw

    TheSouthpaw Champion Full Member

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    Durans offense was his defence..One of the best counter punchers ever..And in my opinion best lightweight ever!
     
  6. werety

    werety Active Member Full Member

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    Well one thing he definitely did that was not textbook or "technically correct" was that he would slip right hands by moving to his own right, but he always seemed to make it work partially because he had his right hand up at all times to block the inevitable following left hook.
     
  7. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    The way he rolled with the right to take the steam off of it was masterful. The vision and the reflexes were amazing. I dont think you can teach the average boxer to do it that way. You have to have some gifts.

    Alot of times it looked like Duran was really getting hit but he wasnt. He was a one of a kind boxing genius.
     
  8. Senor Pepe'

    Senor Pepe' Boxing Junkie banned

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    From the start of his career thru 1977, his offense was his defense.

    You just knew, that Roberto could walk through any of his opponents punches.

    And most of his opponents, were always moving backwards after a few rounds.

    The art of Roberto slipping and rolling with punches, looks more of a natural ability,
    as he had that 'Sixth Sense' to know what was coming.

    Though, he did have a bit of a problem with 'boxer-movers', those 15-Rounds gave
    Roberto enough time to catch them, and he did.

    'Sweet' Saoul Mamby, a 'defensive wizard' in his own right, said that Roberto Duran
    was, without a doubt, the most difficult fighter to hit cleanly.
     
  9. werety

    werety Active Member Full Member

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    Yes I agree it was masterful, but definitely not "correct" in the textbook sense.
     
  10. MAG1965

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    I don't pump up Hearns and run down Duran. I just think I am being objective. Tommy beat and knocked out greats. Cuevas,Duran, and outboxed Benitez and Hill. Duran beat Leonard when Ray fought his fight, and then lost to all the greats. That is not pumping up Hearns, that is a fact. Being Ray was ok, but when Tommy beat Duran,Benitez,Hill and Cuevas, they were all champions and experienced. Ray was not in 1980, and in the rematch Ray put on a show for everyone with his skills and fought his fight. I think Duran is great, but not the 1-5 some think he is. I always said top 25. which could be 25 or even 15. I don't think top 25 is so terrible a place to be on the ATG ranking.
     
  11. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Duran's third fight against DeJesus was a fine defensive performance against a skilled opponent who seemed to have his number with the left hook. I believe Duran was told to box in the early rounds and he showcased that pressure fighting was far from all that he knew.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlD9UjDa9uM[/ame]

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    Obviously his natural fighter's instincts always played a part in him being able to avoid as many blows as he could with his aggressive style but there were fights of his that displayed a level of skill that couldn't have been obtained through mere talent alone. It's difficult to imagine the likes of Freddie Brown and Ray Arcel being no other than cheerleaders in his corner, they must have had some input.
     
  12. luke

    luke Well-Known Member Full Member

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    people need to see lw duran to see his greatness, he never stood still he was allways bobing/moving on the spot, this means you dont know if he is feinting or jabbing or moving forward.

    i think the grestest thing about duran is the fact he has litteraly no weakness.
     
  13. Manassa

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    I know I'm always shoe-horning Napoles in wherever I can, but I wanted to say, he's one of the only fighters on Duran's level (earlier career Napoles) when it comes to offensive counter punching with slick head movement and snappy shots. I can't separate them.
     
  14. Bogotazo

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    Beating Leonard in Montreal was just "ok"? Yea MAG, real objective. Let's make excuses for Ray when he was in his prime and allow none when Duran went on to compete with much bigger, fresher men.
     
  15. Senor Pepe'

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    The guy had an 'awesome chin' too.

    That always helped.