I was actually just pondering this the other day. I'll leave it to the Archie Moore fans, as I've either just not seen enough prime footage of the man, or I'm just not as impressed with him as others. I'm not one who doesn't appreciate subtle skills, don't get me wrong, I love guys like Monzon and Napoles. I understand Moore's style, I just don't find it more impressive than others who use it, and think he'd get beaten by quite a few Light Heavyweights. I think Qawi has a good chance, considering he's also slick, crafty, and powerful, with a very good chin, but also has the pressure style going for him, which could lead to him outworking Moore. However, Moore could definitely catch him with some big shots on the way in, uppercuts and straight rights. But Qawi was a lot better defensively than one would think. It's pretty much a toss-up, but I'll play devil's advocate and go with Qawi by Decision. Then again, you've seen my opinion of Moore from the outset, and there are those who likely have more footage of the man at his peak than myself.
I have the same sort of viewpoint on Moore as Pea, i have seen quite a fair desl of Moore footage, but ive allways been somewhat sceptic. Lost a llot, but was clearly a great fighter and man, so dogged and determined. Anyway, i will actually pick him against Qawi, if Moore is gunna put in a great performance, i think he will edge a decision which is close.
What film of Moore have you seen? I believe Moore is one of the most impressive fighters I have ever seen on film. His best filmed fight IMO his his 1947 destruction of jimmy bivins which I own. Archie Moore is a top 15 fighter of all time IMO. I think this is an one sided fight in favor of moore
Ya uh huh, but Archie is slicker, craftier, more powerful with far more experience. You are going to have be be built as strong, big, and powerful as rocky marciano if you want to do that to moore....and Qawi was not. Qawi on film is built similiarly with the same fighting style as lloyd marshall, and marshall was unable to outwork archie moore. Don't forget Archie in his prime on film had very impressive mobiltiy, much better movement and threw a much more higher volume of punches. what film of archie have you seen. Uh huh I think Archie wins a wide decision...Everything Qawi could do Archie could do plus more. Archies turtle shell and movement will cause big problems for Qawi and Qawi is not big and powerful enough to dominate moore in the trenches. Moore is going to be nailing sharp counters at Qawi all night, and if he hurts Qawi moore had the abilities to finish him off. I think that is ridiculous. Qawi was a very good fighter, but archie was on a different level. I believe Archie is a top 3 fighter at lightheavyweight all time. What film of Archie have you seen?
When you fight as much as Archie does against such great competition...your bound to lose once in a while. Archie did win, more than 150 fights and beat more rated contenders than probably anyone in history. All time knockout kingtoo! Was a top 10 ranked contender even at age 45!!!
Oh , u think im underestimating him?? Never, great fighter no doubt, ive done the Archie thing to death. He aint in contention for greatest 175-pounder ever, just cant be, fought in the same golden era as Charles, and in that time lost many more, he lost to some guys you wont know aswell, unlike Charles. And we know how their trilogy went, even if some give him the second, he met his master. He was clearly great Moore, and i like his style, but clearly a beatable fighter
Moore is also a legend for his doggedness and determindness over the years, great great man and fighter, my point still stands though. Others were better is what im saying. My top 4 LHWs 1. Charles 2. Tunney 3. Spinks (sorry) 4. Moore
I rate him in the top 3 as well. Don't forget about the 23 losses though, to say it's ridiculous for him to lose to anyone when he lost to lesser fighters is pretty ridiculous. Styles matchups are styles matchups, and the guy was far from unbeatable. In fact, if you truly look, he lost to most of the best fighters he ever fought. Not saying he'd surely lose to Qawi though, he could definitely win. He may deserve to be favored. Nothing prior to 1952. But a fair amount from then on.
You watch harold johnson vs archie moore title fight 1954? very exciting two masterclass fighters......archie was horribly weight drained in this one but still looked good. still finished strong. a good fight to watch of his late power/punching skills/finishing skills/defensive abilities. Archie Moore vs Joey Maxim 1952- Title winning effort. I thought Archie looked great. notice how much leaner faster sharper he looks in this one than durelle? Archie Moore vs Jimmy Bivins 1947- Archies peak fight in my opinion, moore moves like the wind laterally side to side, he looks really lean, and his workrate his non stop, his upperbody movement is impeccable, his punching skills are extradorinary with sharpness and accuracy of a sniper. Archie Moore vs Embrell Davison 1951- Truelly demonstrates moores true one punch power, devastating Archie Moore vs Oakland Billy Smith 1946- Moore looks very good here. Those are the fights I suggest you watch of Archie Moore. the maxim, Bivins and harold johnson fight arnt hard to get, the embrell davidson one is very rare.
I'll do so, and this may very well change my opinion. As I said, I've not seen as much prime footage of him as others. He's one of few of the top notch greats I haven't viewed as much footage of at their best.
Qawi does match up well and would have success against Moore. Qawi would over achieve in this fight but Moore is just a level above. he's my number 2 LHW. He would, no doubt, eventually have beaten Charles and was getting closer with each fight (there's nothing in that second fight rumour) in the same way Johnson did with Moore. Archie lost some early because he was put in with quality early. Moore like Dempsey and Langford was one of those A+ punchers who brought power, speed, timing, accuracy and technique to the party. He's a definite top 15 p4p, probably top 10 and definitely the greatest LHW champion of all-time.
A great ******* of a fight! I think that Moore would win. At least, the majority if they fought multiple times. And Suzie, isn't it a bit casual to say that a quality guy like Qawi would have lost easily? I am sure that no LHW or Cruiserweight would have won easily against Qawi.
