Dwight Qawi vs James Toney

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  1. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Qawi would outwork him. IM picking the guy with a superior, effective workrate over the guy who was lazy
     
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  2. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cfML3ihvQIE
     
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  3. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ill pick Toney to outpoint Qawi.
     
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  4. lora

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    Toney at light-heavy struggled to clearly distinguish himself in terms of level with Montell Griffin.

    He's going to get soundly outworked by Qawi.
     
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  5. Berlenbach

    Berlenbach Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Qawi is the type of fighter who's all wrong for Toney. Constantly pressurising, throws lots of punches and won't let him fight at his own pace. Plus he accomplished far more than Toney ever did at light-heavy or cruiser. Qawi UD.
     
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  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Yeah I can't really disagree with this.
     
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  7. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    This pretty much sums it up.

    Toney was not that good at lhw. Qawi outworks him to score ud
     
    general zod, Nov 5, 2014
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  8. heizenberg

    heizenberg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I actually disagree with this statement. Toney always did good with fighters who came forward to him(especially when in decent shape). Delgado, Jirov, Aspieli, Wolf etc. Qawi would be coming right into Toney giving him counter punching opportunities but unlike some of those come forward fighters Toney faced Qawi also had tremendous skills and craft while coming forward. Like Toney he used many old school defensive and offensive tricks. Either way I feel if you walk into Toney's range you're gonna take some good counter shots it just a matter of whether you can give more punches of you're own and avoid some of whats coming back. I think Qawi's good jab coming forward would be a good weapon against Toney unless Toney is able to time and counter it. I also see Qawi unleashing good flurries on Toney who wouldn't take to many of the shots clearly but some of them would land and score its just a matter of what Toney comes back with. One of Toney's problems was he is so comfortable in the ring and so sound defensively that he always feels in control. I think this cost him against Griffin even though I feel he won both fights handily he probably could've done a little bit more in both of them had he felt a little urgency. This is a very tough match up to pick a winner in for me its a pick em fight just depends on which fighter has a better night. Either Qawi out works Toney and uses his defense coming forward well enough to not get chewed up by Toney's counter punches, or Toney is able to counter effectively enough on the inside to get the win. Either way I think this fight goes the distance whether its 12 rounds, 15 rounds or 20 rounds both guys in their primes would not be stopped.
     
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  9. Flea Man

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    Closer fight at cruiser. At light heavyweight Toney was wank. Qawi on points.
     
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  10. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Qawi at 175 was maybe the most underated fighter ever, he had great legs. He was similar to Montel Griffin who Toney couldn't do anything with.
     
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  11. closedguard

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    Think about it this way what is Tony been more susceptible to? And the overhand right which was Qawis greatest weapons once on the inside, we would've been out jabbing Toney and landing in over hand right.
     
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  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Gentlemen, I think you changed my mind.
     
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  13. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i HAVE TO ADMIT I WAS FAVORING Toney but after reading these posts I think Qawi beat Toney at 175lbs
     
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  14. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your knowledge seems to be very limited. Most people think that Toney beat Griffin twice (according to polls and HBO scorecards). Toney-Griffin II was voted the worst decision by the RING in 1996.

    As for the Quawi matchup:

    At 175: Quawi (via close decision)

    Quawi would have outworked Toney at 175, but still the fight would be very close and even somewhat controversial.

    At 190: Toney (via close decison)

    At 190, Quawi, was less slick and less active. Toney by decison in a competitive fight.


    Keepi in mind that Quawi was himself very slick and Toney would have a harder time landing his counters than usual.
     
    THE BLADE 2, Nov 7, 2014
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  15. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That is just nonsense.
    Toney was the master at avoiding right hand. Rolling , slippingm,ducking the right hand....he was the best at it in the last 25 years.
     
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