Earky 1980's heavyweights vs early 2000's heavyweights

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  1. heizenberg

    heizenberg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I was thinking about this earlier today and came up with a number of good match ups that could be put together between these two era's of heavyweights. The early 1980's was riddled with many skilled but under achieving heavyweights while the early 2000's was of many big heavyweights who had their ups and downs as well and are often not given a lot of credit for their effectivness in the ring. I thought up the 10 best match ups if you were to take 10 of the best heavyweights from the two era's, please give me you're in put on who'd you'd favor in the match ups and which era you feel would win more. I know many of these fighters had their ups and downs in their careers but I'm talking about the 1980 fighters at their best between 1980-1985 and the 2000's fighters at their best between 2000-2004.

    Larry Holmes vs Lennox Lewis
    Tony Tucker vs Vitali Klitschko
    Gerry Cooney vs Wladimir Klitschko
    Tim Witherspoon vs David Tua
    Pinklon Thomas vs Chris Byrd
    Mike Weaver vs Hasim Rahman
    Gerrie Coetzee vs Corrie Sanders
    Tony Tubbs vs James Toney
    Michael Dokes vs Sam Peter
    Trevor Berbick vs John Ruiz
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Larry Holmes vs Lennox Lewis - Holmes w 12

    Tony Tucker vs Vitali Klitschko - Tucker w12

    Gerry Cooney vs Wladimir Klitschko - Wlad TKO 8

    Tim Witherspoon vs David Tua - Witherspoon w12

    Pinklon Thomas vs Chris Byrd - Chris Byrd w12

    Mike Weaver vs Hasim Rahman - Weaver KO 9

    Gerrie Coetzee vs Corrie Sanders - Coetzee KO 10

    Tony Tubbs vs James Toney - Tubbs w12

    Michael Dokes vs Sam Peter - Dokes w12

    Trevor Berbick vs John Ruiz - Ruiz w12
     
  3. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Some cracking matchups. I'll need to think on a few of these...
     
  4. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good picks:good

    I would vote for Vitali vs Tucker by close margin.

    Sanders has good chance of KO'ing Coetzee early, if no, Coetzee stops him late.

    Witherspoon certainly outboxes Tua. Ruiz holds Berbick to a close decision win.

    Now, Holmes - Lewis is the most interesting. I'll give edge to Holmes purely on fact that he had better jab (ask Mercer). I don't think the fight ends by KO, it would be a bit boring, chess match between two very good HW's.
     
  5. The General

    The General Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tucker didn't even reach world level until 1987 how does an early 80's starting off Tucker stand a chance against a near prime Vitali?

    even a prime Tucker would get battered to pieces
     
  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I meant to say Vitali W12 Tucker. But taking a decision is about all Klitschko would do.
     
  7. The General

    The General Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with that

    Your living up to your name though magoo
     
  8. hookfromhell

    hookfromhell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Great matchups. Why not use 87 Tucker, he would decision Vitali.
     
  9. Mendoza

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    Picks above
     
  10. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Larry Holmes vs Lennox Lewis- Lewis by UD

    Tony Tucker vs Vitali Klitschko- Klitschko by 9th round TKO

    Gerry Cooney vs Wladimir Klitschko- Klitschko by 8th round KO

    Tim Witherspoon vs David Tua- Tua by 11th round TKO

    Pinklon Thomas vs Chris Byrd- Byrd by UD

    Mike Weaver vs Hasim Rahman- Rahman by 4th round KO

    Gerrie Coetzee vs Corrie Sanders- Sanders by 3rd round KO

    Tony Tubbs vs James Toney- Toney by UD

    Michael Dokes vs Sam Peter- Peter by 4th round KO

    Trevor Berbick vs John Ruiz- Ruiz by UD
     
  11. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Stupid dreamfights mania.But, ok.
    Holmes-Lewis wko5 (Lewis was glass-chinned) prime McCall-45 years old Holmes was a close fight.
    Tucker-V.Klitschko Wtko9 (Tucker was faster,vitali and his skin problem...)
    Cooney-w.klitschko ko1 (Cooney-Norton,Cooney-Lyle... just saying.
    Basically w.klitschko is crap against the tall guys.
    (Fat bum Puritty, 37 years old Sanders, bum C.Monroe 1, fat Pannell, 36 years old D.Williamson,Wach ,40 years old Botowamungu fights showed this also.)
    /Plus he couldn't knock the glass-chinned 210.5 pounds Haye out./
    I think Haye wasn't healthy against klitschko because maybe he had
    big pinkie toe problem.
    All in all(C.Sanders-w.klitschko 2) type fight...
    Witherspoon-Tua wud12 (Tua was slow and unskilled.Byrd beat him.
    Witherspoon was a good fighter.)
    Thomas-Byrd wko7 (Thomas easily.He had good chin an skill)
    Weaver-Rahman ko6 (Rahman is a glass-chinned bum.Weaver could punch. )
    Coetzee-Sanders ko2 (Tyson's sparring partner the bum Nate(not Tony) Tubbs destroyed Sanders easily.
    Tubbs-Toney wud12 (Toney is featherfisted.The faded Tubbs prime Bowe
    was a close fight.)
    Dokes-Peter wko7 (Peter the never-been,slow unskilled joke)
    Berbick-Ruiz ko8 (Berbick destroyed Tate,beat Thomas
    the old Berbick knocked the 7' Brown out easily.
    Ruiz was crap against the 7' slow Valuev...
    Ruiz? A featherfisted,slow bum.A glass-chinned skinny"girl" Roy Jones
    beat him also.

    More stupid question ?
     
  12. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    VVMM, some of your picks I buybut this might as well be called "80's over the hated".
    Your picks & descriptions are very biased.
     
  13. heizenberg

    heizenberg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thanks for all the good responses so far!

    The way I see it playing out is.

    Holmes vs Lewis- Very tough fight to call, Holmes never faced anyone like Lewis and Lewis never faced anyone quite like Holmes. I see it being very close and contrary to what some may expect I think it would be a very entertaining fight with back and forth action. I could see either champion scoring a knock out in the mid to late rounds but I'd predict this bout is more likely to go the distance. I slightly favor Holmes as he was a master of winning close rounds and I see a few close rounds in his favor being the difference.

    Tucker vs Klitschko- This fight is the one exception where I'm thinking Tony Tucker of say 1986-87 instead of the 1980-84. I see Tucker being a very tough test for Klitschko with his good boxing skills and hand speed but overall I think Vitali will be a bit to strong and will push Tucker back with his jab and following power punches. I see Klitschko winning the majority of the rounds and possibly knocking down Tucker sometime later in the bout on route to a UD.

    Wladimir Klitschko vs Gerry Cooney. This fight is very interesting when you look at Wladimir Klitschko of the early 2000's and Gerry Cooney of the early 80's. Klitschko in the early 2000's showed to be very vulnerable especially against opponents who had power and could withstand his punches and fire back. Cooney in the early 80's was tearing through his division and gave Larry Holmes a very tough challenge in their great world title fight. That being said Cooney never showed the greatest jaw though he had one of the greatest punches and I see Klitschko the more skilled of the two who had a lot of power himself being able to get to Cooney likely early in the fight and score a knockout. Though it is very possible that it could go the other way around with Cooney getting to Klitschko early and taking him out he certainly had the power to do so. It also wouldn't surprise me to see Klitschko wear out in the middle rounds should Cooney still be in their especially if he is able to get to Wlad's body I could see Cooney sitting Klitschko down with a body shot. Overall I gotta go with the more skilled puncher in this match up in Wladimir but as I said I could easily see Cooney taking this one as well.

    Tim Witherspoon vs David Tua- This I see being a very good fight. I think Witherspoon would take this one as he was the more skilled of the two and had good enough defense and was durable enough to likely withstand Tua's on slaught. I think Witherspoon would use his jab to pile up points and score with a number of big looping power punches throughout the fight. I think a lot of the fight would be contested on the inside where both fighters would have their moments. I think Tua would work the body and come up to the head with big punches while Witherspoon would whack away with his looping power shots. But I also think Witherspoon would spend time on the outside carrying the fight with his jab and boxing skills. UD win for Witherspoon.

    Pinklon Thomas vs Chris Byrd. I see Pinklon Thomas getting to the slick Byrd with his jab throughout the fight and pretty much winning the fight with the jab. I don't think the slick Byrd would be able to get around Thomas's jab and I think Thomas would constantly back up and bust up Byrd with the jab and win a clear decision.

    Mike Weaver vs Hasim Rahman- This is a very even fight in my eyes. Both guys were pretty stiff but very strong and effective. They had similar styles I feel Rahman's boxing skills were a bit better but Weaver had more power. I'm really 50/50 on this one I favor Rahman should to fight go to decision, I think its very possible Weaver could knock him out. I'll call this one even.

    Corrie Sanders vs Gerrie Coetzee- I think Sanders would be able to get to Coetzee with his straight left and put his lights out early. If he isn't able to do this Coetzee could take over late should Sanders not be properly conditioned but overall I gotta go with Sanders to starch Coetzee early.

    Tony Tubbs vs James Toney- This is another match up which is pretty even. Two overweight but very skilled fighters. I think Tubbs would move around and flurry with his fast hands while Toney would come forward and counter. I also think a lot of the fight would be contested on the inside. I see Tubbs landing more punches while Toney connects with the cleaner punches. This one could really go either way and I think would be close no matter how many times they fought, again gotta call this one even.

    Dokes vs Peter- I think Dokes with his much faster hands and boxing skills would carry the day in this fight. I think he'd land a number of flurries on Peter to win rounds and overall would win the majority of the rounds on his way to a U/D

    Ruiz vs Berbick- I think Ruiz would implement his hit and hold strategy and this would lead the fight to very close and very sloppy. I think Berbick would have something for Ruiz everytime Ruiz does throw and also see Berbick pushing the pace and being just as rough on the inside. I'm gonna take Berbick to win this one by UD as I think Ruiz's effective awkward hit and hold style wouldn't be as effective against a guy like Berbick who was just as awkward and rougher on the inside with the better jab and stamina.

    Overall in the 10 match ups I see the early 1980's winning 5-3-2.
     
  14. mr. magoo

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    Thanks. Yeah I meant to give Vitali the win over Tucker but just typed it backwards, and yes I agree that Sanders could have potentially beaten Coetzee. Ruiz and Berbick could have gone either way, but I gave the edge to John. Berbick even in his prime was inconsistent and I'm not too sure how he'd handle Ruiz's inside fighting game and tendency to tie people up.
     
  15. SILVER SKULL 66

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    Holmes - Lewis , a close fight , I lean slightly more towards Lewis because he had a lot more power...

    VK- would have KO'D Tucker
    WK- would have KO'D Cooney..
    Witherspoon UD Tua
    Byrd UD Thomas...
    Weaver - WOULD HAVE ko'd Rahman..
    Sanders would have KO'D Coetzee.
    Tubbs UD Toney..
    Dokes UD Peter...
    Ruiz-Berbick, too tough to call DRAW:nut

    WHERE THE HELL IS HOLYFIELD???

    I give a slight slight razor edge to the 2000 guy's, but it's very close:deal