Early 1900's boxing style compared to modern?

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  1. jabber74

    jabber74 New Member Full Member

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    When you see old-timers like Stanley Ketchel, or Harry Greb, do you wonder how styles like that would have fared against the eras that came later? What do you think? To me, boxing is an art form that improved through the decades (at least in some ways). When I see a guy like Dempsey prowling around the ring with his hands at his side, I really do wonder if he would get away with that against fighters of other eras.

    Your thoughts?
     
  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cincinnati Cobra Full Member

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    I think the best of an Era would do well in any era. (Of his size obviously)

    Greb's style (which is only written about) is basically pure aggression, iron chin, deceptive head movement and not much power. The fact he could throw so many punches against ATGs in his time tells us that he would be a ******* for anyone to beat south of CW.

    Dempsey I think is overrated. But not due to his hands being by his sides or anything like that, because against Willard (before he started pummeling him) he showed some cagey skills and a decent defence. He also showed he can slip punches on the way in as well. I think his power and speed are overrated.
     
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  3. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Active Member Full Member

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    Styles differences are mostly caused by rules and different circumstances. Great fighters would be great in any era.

    Jack Dempsey showed signs of good defensive skills and he had excellent head movement.
     
  4. jabber74

    jabber74 New Member Full Member

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    Thanks for your reply... and I only used those two as examples... I don't know. How would Ketchel's style mesh against Hagler, or someone like James Toney. It is an interesting thought. To me, fighters of the early part of the 1900's were very stiff. I'm not sure boxing was really perfected, or explored enough yet.... we'll never know....
     
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  5. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Active Member Full Member

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    Compared to who? You said that Dempsey is one of the hardest punchers ever at his weight. Who do you think was faster than him at 180-200 lbs?
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cincinnati Cobra Full Member

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    In comparison to ATG HW punches. Coz that's who people compare him to.

    And Jones, Charles, Walcott, Spinks, Usyk, Jirov and Toney were all faster of the top of my head.
    Not to mention I've seen him rated the 3rd best HW ever and top 15 pfp. I think we can both agree that that's a no no
     
  7. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Active Member Full Member

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    Disagree with Walcott, Usyk and Toney but fair enough.

    Yes, we agree. The original Jack Dempsey should be higher than him p4p.
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cincinnati Cobra Full Member

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    Good, entertainment wise. I think he'd be boxed when they weren't brawling and would not out tough Hagler, and would get KOed around the tenth.

    He'd put up a good fight for a few rounds and have moments that are clearly his but ultimately lose by late stoppage or a UD.
    He'd do well for about a round imo. Then James figures him out and takes him to school.

    Toney UD12
     
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  9. jabber74

    jabber74 New Member Full Member

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    Yes, I feel the same in both matches... so I guess we are both seeing the same things....
     
  10. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Active Member Full Member

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    But Ketchel wasn't a boxing master even in his days. Pick someone like Joe Gans or Jack O'Brien and they would fare well against technical boxers from next eras.
     
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  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Not here for the fairy tales Full Member

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    Why do you think this?

    And does it also follow that those who are average in one era would be average in any other? Or that those who are mediocre or poor in one era would be mediocre or poor in any other?
     
  12. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bebop Boxer Full Member

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    If you pluck fighters from yesterday, and place them in today's climte with no adjustment period, the aggressive fighters with physical attributes and intangibles do better than the scientific boxers.

    Who is more likely to win today, John L Sullivan or Jim Corbett?
     
  13. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cincinnati Cobra Full Member

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    To clarify I don't mean they'd dominate every Era, just do well. Larry Holmes would be second only to Wlad in the 2000s, Ali would be second only to Lewis in the 90s.
    Every top 10 HW imo would be a top 5 in another HW era'. (Barring guys like Rocky and Johnson who'd be CWs in the modern era)

    No. For example an Average HW now, let's say Whyte, wouldn't be top 5 in the 70s, he is now. But it's arguable he wouldn't be top 10 in the 70s. Or David Tua, an average HW in the 90s. I'd back hom to beat Ruiz, Joshua, Wilder and Whyte. That's 4 of my top 5 HWs today.
    Maybe, some examples could be made but not off the top of my head.
     
  14. reznick

    reznick Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hockey experts were once tasked with finding out if the talent of players had evolved over time.

    What they found was that the average player got better, but the all time greats were more or less equally talented.

    I think something very similar is true for boxing.
     
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  15. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cincinnati Cobra Full Member

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    This.

    The difference in talent between most ATGs is very small, it's styles and physical attributes that make up the difference in match ups
     
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