Early 90s Tyson would wreck Liston in a slug fest

Tyson might be 5'11 in heels maybe.

221 was an outlier. During his successful run from Berbick to Williams he weighed 221 twice and came in at the 215/216 bracket 3 times. I also didn't mention Liston at 219 1/2 against King.

Tyson's average weight across this 10 fight span was 218.35.
Liston from Williams to Patterson II averaged 212.87.

5.48 pounds between them in what is a very fair and comparable career period. Let me know if this doesn't work for you or is still considered "cherry picking". My assessment was spot on.

I'm not overly sure he was "wider" than Liston for the simple reason Liston's reach was immensely more than Tyson's if one knows how this works.

I tell you what. Just to keep bull **** and innuendo out of the equation here is the rest of their tale of the tapes. Liston against Clay and Tyson against Lewis when he was actually past prime and bigger than he was during his peak run!!! We are also avoiding the possibility Tyson was (potentially) roided.

Liston - Tyson

44 CHEST 42.5 (normal)
46.5 CHEST 44 (expanded)
33 WAIST 34
25.5 THIGH 26.5
15.5 FIST 12
17.5 NECK 20
17.5 BICEPS 17
29 AGE 35

 

So a chunky past his prime, weight lifting Tyson's waist line was only an inch thicker than Liston's waist, had a smaller chest, smaller biceps, smaller fists, and arms that were a foot shorter, yet people think Tyson was "wider" and more naturally larger?

Ok.

I find it funny that Tyson and Rocky fans love talking about how they used their smaller size to their advantage in one breath, then make a huge deal out of a 0.5 difference in height/reach/waist/etc in the next breath and bicker over 5 lbs for pages to try to mitigate a size difference.

Imagine Liston weight lifting and popping PED's. He'd probably look like a shaved silver back gorilla.

 

Bro.. You know i respect you but this one is a biased post.(advantages of Liston) really?.
In Strength you could be right.. Liston could have more strength maybe , he was a strong guy in the ring but hitting power i go with Tyson

 

This numbers are a complete bull****. We have eyes and Tyson was thicker wider than Liston, more Compact stronger legs and wider back, stop talking crap

 

it is false.
My point was that Liston never fought an animal like Tyson and this time he was in fact"smaller" than Tyson, i am not talking about height or reach, everybody was taller and had longer reach than Tyson.
But i never claimed that a fighter have to win only because he is heavier.

And i mentioned the height because John said that Liston was 3 " taller and it is false

 

Somebody already posted their measurements. Liston and Tyson were both measured dozens of times.

Post some actual evidence. You're the one talking crap..

Again you are splitting hairs over 0.5 inches. I am not your date, I'm not interested in arguing over half a freaking inch lol.

The point is Liston is taller with a much longer reach. That is a fact wether you like it or not. Tyson faced 3 men who had a reach similar to Liston: Douglas, Lewis, and Ruddock.

2 of them beat the crap out of him, one of them took everything he had and slugged it out for 12 rounds despite being a 1 armed fighter and getting hit in the nuts like 6x.

There is actually very little evidence Tyson would have an easy time getting past Liston's jab. Even a past his prime coke head Pinklon Thomas kept Tyson at bay for 5 rounds with his powerful jab.

Big difference between a big heavy jab and a long snappy jab. Don't bring up Holmes, he was an inactive old man coming off 2 losses and he threw his jab with speed.

 

And, Liston didn't need to look any more menacing than he already did.

 

I am not interested in fighting a cyber war with a stupid troll with too much free time. Ignored. Now keep talking alone

 

Closest modern athlete I've seen to a juiced up Liston is Shane Carwin the ex-MMA fighter.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/o...t_sports_mma_experts-482251302-1282856333.jpg

 

Only troll here is you bum!
The guy replied you with straight facts and out you where you belong but instead of reply him with a same fact you started to insult!
That shows how big moron you are and Tyson fam/nuthuggers/troll!
Liston would beat your boy in 100 of 100 fights because style makes fights and Liston is bigger,stronger and punch harder!

 

Liston was a little more bottom heavy but they do have similar overall builds with long lanky gorilla arms, wide chest and shoulders, and a solid frame. Close to the same height too. Good call.

 

Glass City Cobra posted reasonable arguments backed up with facts. I've never seen him trolling and nobody other than you have problems with his posts here. So maybe, just maybe - there is something wrong with you instead?

 

I'm not the one whose constantly getting banned and insulting people in every thread positing "lol" or condescending 1 liners to anyone who disagrees.

I freely admit I can lose my patience and get a little aggressive with some people if I know they're being disingenuous or using blatant logic fallacies while refusing to address what was actually written, but more often than not I'll simply ignore them. I don't care if someone disagrees with me as long as there's actual evidence or logic to it (unless it's a subjective topic).

Liston was down legitimately once in his 40's when he was a depressed heroin addict going through the motions. People will always make a big deal out of that fight forgetting that he not only knocked down Martin, he beat him so bad the guy had to retire afterwards with eye problems. Does anyone want to talk about how bad Tyson looked at the end of his career? Unlike Williams and McBride, Martin was on tbe verge of getting into title contention. He was also rated on the top 100 punchers list. In addition to all of that, Martin was a sparring partner of Liston and hung around him all the time (they even shared hotel rooms with hookers) so he knew his habits, weaknesses, etc. The closest modern comparison would be how Marquez finally managed to KO Pacquiao after sharing the ring with him so many times and getting the timing down for his counters.

So in addition to Williams (who was praised by Foreman and Caldwell as being one of the hardest hitters they worked with, quite a statement considering their resumes), Liston also took bombs from Dejohn (Chuvalo compared him to Foreman in terms of raw power), Harris, Patterson, and Folley. Not a murderer's as far as all time great punchers go, but they were all veterans who could crack with more than 40 fights on their record. Point being, Liston never went down except once in a very long career against all kinds of styles. Tyson was stopped 5x, he doesn't get a pass for facing larger opponents when the quality of several of those opponents is in question. Out of all the men who stopped Tyson, only Lewis was a serious power puncher while Holyfield had decent power but probably didn't hit much harder than the best hitters Liston faced. Douglas never stopped anyone of note aside from Tyson himself and had above average power at best. No need to elaborate on the other two.

As for how they'd do against each other's opponents, sure, Tyson may have beaten most of Liston's competition. He still gets embarrassed by a prime Ali.

As for Liston, he runs through most of those guys. Smith would not have gotten away with grabbing and pot shotting, Liston takes him out in 7. Douglas is stopped in 10 after a long and gruelling battle. Ruddock is stopped in 5, no idiotic slugger who loads up on one big shot with a wide open defense lasts with Liston. Holyfield is too brave for his own good and is stopped late or loses a close decision after being dropped. Bruno and Berbick get mauled and KO'd within 4. Spinks would evaporate like salt in water. Old Holmes gets stopped in 6. I will concede Lennox likely wins if we assume Liston faces him ik his older age against a veteran Lewis with Stewart in his corner.

 

Or maybe just maybe you have sexual problems with jack sharkey and you are absolutely obssesed with him?