Earnie Shavers & Cleveland Williams: Who Da Man?

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  1. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Holmes was a bit better slugger than Ali......... Holmes at least had Shavers reeling in rds 10 and 11 in 1979...................... Ali had lost all power after 1976................... By 1977, Ali punched like a light-heavy........ BUT! The narrow win over Shavers was Ali's LAST supreme effort in the ring.........
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  2. MRBILL

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    Ali, win or lose, was HORRID in '78 with his pair of suck-ass fights with Leon Stinks....... ZZZZZ!!! Ali was so shot he could've passed for a block of Swiss Cheese in 1978........ The rematch win over Stinks was historic, but, the fight sucked eggrolls with bull-balls..

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  3. DRMULLEN

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    Kool..
     
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  4. MRBILL

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    Damn straight, mango...:yep

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  5. TheGreatA

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    This would still be the best round of heavyweight action in the past decade if it happened today:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb5VHzX_qoA

    Watch from 5 minutes onwards.
     
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  6. MRBILL

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    Oh, I agree that while Ali was in flabby shape at 224 pounds for Stinks the first time around, it also added to the fact that fight # 1 had slightly more action and trading going on........ Come fight # 2, Ali was a trained and toned 221 pounds and was up on his toe's dancing and sticking, while Stinks wandered about the ring utterly baffled and clueless......... Fight # 2 was indeed historic, but also a dud in the action dept........
    :good

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  7. TheGreatA

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    It was. Ali made a bore out of it but that was his type of a fight. The occasional combination and dancing saved it from being a complete disappointment but it's not a fight I'd watch if I didn't have to.

    The 15th round of the first Ali-Spinks fight though... I haven't seen many better even if the rest of the fight wasn't all that great. Ali showed trendemous will to win there as did Leon Spinks.

    Both left it all in the ring even if they didn't have much, Ali because he was old and out of shape, Spinks because he was never all that good.
     
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  8. MRBILL

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    I truly believe that while Ali was diagnosed with Parkinson's syndrome in 1984 at age 42, I still insist that he was in the early stages of the syndrome back in 1978 around the time he was fighting Leon Stinks...... In '78, Ali was already slowed down in speed and in his verbal approach to society.... By '80, against Larry Holmes, Ali looked fit at 218 pounds, but he was drained and mumbling his words by then....... Sad........ Ali was a sluggish pig at 236 lbs. for Berbick in the Bahamas........

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  9. Muchmoore

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    Big Cat is a better fighter than Shavers in my opinion. Better chin/durability (not great though) and he has a big speed edge here. Williams pure power might be a little over rated but his speed is awesome for a puncher, Williams also had nice technical skills and a quality jab.

    Shavers had freakish power obviously but Williams would land first and end it early, could be a GREAT fight though.
     
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  10. PetethePrince

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    Ali was definitely deteriorating towards the end of his career. I would say he had early onset of Parkinson's syndrome by the Spinks fights. Even Pacheco comments on how he was falling apart and couldn't past a real medical test. He thought the turning point was the III Norton fight/Shavers fight. He says "Just watch the tapes between the fights from him talking."
     
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  11. MRBILL

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    While I thought Ali looked in great shape at 221 pounds in 1976 at age 34 for Ken Norton up in New York, I also noticed that his speed (especially his legs) had slowed a great deal and his punching power seemed to have dipped a tad..... It is plain for me to see that Ali left just about everything he had left in his gas tank over in Manila against Frazier in '75....... BUT! YES!! By '78, Ali was CLEARLY slipping in his motor and verbal skills............

    However, on a different note, I thought Ali did a decent acting job in the '79 film called "Freedom Road." I thought Ali looked alright and sounded okay for the film.... I wish I had a copy of that for review........... Christ, its been yrs.............

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  12. TheGreatA

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    His face seems immobile here.To me that shows evidence of his Parkinson's.
     
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  14. jowcol

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    With all due respect cobra, Lyle didn't shrug it off...the monsterous left hook Earnie caught him with was around the 2:50 second mark of round two. Had that happened mid-round Lyle, to put it mildly, was a KO'd piece of toast...
     
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  15. jowcol

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    Wasn't round one of the Liston-Williams first fight certainly one of the main reasons we all love boxing!!!???
     
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