Earnie Shavers - ESB's Undisputed king of power.

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  1. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    A few? 6/11 of them fought Foreman. That's more than a half compared to the one who didn't
     
  2. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    “Every time he hit me with a jab, it was like getting hit with a night stick. His right hand was like a sledgehammer. It felt like a whip cracking against my head, a lightning bolt stinging me. I kept telling myself this is unbelievable, this guy is the real deal." - Ron Stander
     
  3. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Yes and i'm confident the vast majority will know that straight up. That's why Classic is the A side around here ;)
     
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  4. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    I like the fact you noticed his chin. He took some of the best punches from Ali, Holmes, Lyle, Mercado, Sims and was not easily put down. He was a terrific combination puncher with good uppercuts and straight rights. Plus, Earnie Shavers is probably one of the greatest crowd pleaser in the history of the HW division.

    His terrific wars with Lyle, Sims, Mercado, Williams, Cobb and Ali are must see fights. He had three great one rounders against Ellis, Quarry and Norton. His bout with Holmes (2) was amazing as well as his battles against Jimmy Young and Ron Stander which were spoken highly in boxrec. Here's some info of their bout:

    Jimmy Young vs. Earnie Shavers (2nd meeting)
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    Jimmy Young 200 lbs drew with Earnie Shavers 208 lbs by SD in round 10 of 10

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    • Date: 1974-11-26
    • Location: Capitol Center, Landover, Maryland, USA
    • Referee: Harry Cecchini 45-46
    • Judge: Larry Barrett 47-44
    • Judge: Tom Kelly 47-47
    "Earnie Shavers, 210, Warren, Ohio, ran into a tiger in Jimmy Young, 197, Philadelphia. Shavers had stopped Young in an earlier meeting and for a couple of rounds last night it looked like he might repeat. Young was down in the 4th from a vicious left hook but got up and weathered the storm. In the 5th, Young started coming. He blasted Shavers with both hands and in the last two rounds it looked like Earnie might go at any moment. The majority of those at ringside felt Young was a handy winner but the verdict was a draw. Referee Joe Cecchini gave his vote to Shavers, 46-45, while one judge saw it for Young 47-44 and the other judge had it even at 47 points each." -Cumberland Evening Times

    The Stander fight was simply a come around win from The Bluff's Butcher. He took all of Shavers bombs and to knock him out in round 5.

    Shavers is one of the most exciting fighters in HW history. Along with Satterfield, Holyfield, Louis, Snipes and Joe Frazier.
     
  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Excellent post!

    You forgot John Ruiz!
     
  6. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    I think you meant Ernie Terrell!
     
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  7. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't know, Louis had a lot of power and he didn't swing with full leverage like Shavers or Baer. How can we know that Louis has less power than the rest? Because he is a bit smaller than them? I don't buy that, Louis hit as hard as anyone.
    Well, I don't know if he literally had as much power. Keep in mind that Foreman usually took care quickly of his opponents, which could be a factor.

    I just want to say that the difference between Shavers and Foreman in terms of power is so small that it doesn't matter in actual boxing match. Foreman was far more dangerous puncher though, which matters a lot more.
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    That was great.
     
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  9. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Imagine Bowe’s kinfolk when he fought Golota?

    People everywhere, dropping like flies simultaneously, faces contorted, writhing on the ground, knees drawn up, clutching at their groins. What voodoo is this?

    Riddick: “He hit me so hard and so low he shook the Crown Jewels of all Africa!”
     
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    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    JT - I hung a right just like you instructed - but there were a number of rooms coming off a half lit corridor, several lights ominously twitching on and off. Some serious whining could be heard from each and every room.

    I only stopped to the read the sign on the first door - “Red Rooster Support Group.” Sounded like a lot of crazy sh*t being said in there, periodically followed by high pitched, maniacal laughing.

    Curiosity got the better of me and I opened the door but there was just one guy rocking back and forth on a chair in the middle of the room, all on his lonesome, slightly frothing from the mouth. He slowly turned and looked at me - directly into my soul.

    Yikes. I slammed the door back shut and scrammed.

    Does the door to THIS thread self lock behind you? I want back in. Could someone please let me back in…right now…or I’ll kick the f*cking door in...I promise I won’t whine…Earnie? Hell yeah, the GOAT, punched harder than King Kong…will that do?…c’mon, anything BUT The Mad Rooster!!
     
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  11. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    All good points Swag, but your missing the point on here buddy!
    Your supposed to lay claim that Shavers is the hardest hitter amongst the big men.

    And he is.. Ever :campeon:
     
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  12. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Bob N Weave Full Member

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    Earnie was something else, but I'd run him over and can a man really be more powerful then you if you the one beating him? It's like, lineal with the success a man feels within, Power isn't straight forward with your punch- or even up and down like the 7 plates I benched RAW in my day. It's so many things and it builds like a muscle but inside your soul. like it also depends on what fruits you eat before the big fight too. Grapes zap the strength right outta ya for one, It also matters big how many miles you run or how much you are dedicating yourself to this most artistic craft... *audio get's fuzzy* I got a call from my daughter I'll explain after I get back from 7-11. Help yourself to my vitamin water stash"

     
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  13. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Jeff Mayweather is a scream - but a great interviewer at the same time.

    I believe Caldwell also said that Shavers hit harder than Foreman and Lyle combined. Of course that was deliberate hyperbole to punctuate Shavers’ advantage but to be fair, as indicated by Caldwell himself, he really didn’t sample the best of Lyle - knowing Lyle to be faster, Caldwell said that he was more mindful to stay on the move and not get hit.

    We discussed this before but one of the better ways to gage power without judgment being compromised by semi short circuiting of the brain after being hit on the more vulnerable points (viz jaw) is a fighter’s perception of power when he is hit in less “vital” areas - chest, shoulders, arms etc. - and to that end, many otherwise clear headed fighters attested to Shavers’ shots hurting badly wherever they landed.

    Here’s a written IV with Earnie - it’s the only time I’ve read Shavers state people might be able to match their best shots with one of his own BUT every one of his punches had killer written on it.

    https://www.thesportsman.com/featur...n-the-sportsman-interviews-earnie-shavers1111
     
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  14. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    I get the feeling Lyle had a habit of smiling and nodding along when Jones went into his monologs about how good he was. That would explain the discrepancy.
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

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    How good is that article mate? What a top read, great stuff.

    Lyle had just started professionally when he fought Leroy but given his late start he probably had most of if not all of his whack. Tex Cobb said Earnie hurt you wherever he hit you and every single punch was HARD no matter whether it was a jab, a hook or a right hand.

    What i was particularly fascinated by was these comments -

    “Being such a big puncher actually hurt my career,” says Shavers. “I relied on my power too much. I wish I’d had trainers that could have taught me more about combination punches.

    “I used to gas out in five or six rounds because I put that much effort into my punches and it was impossible to punch for an entire fight without tiring out.”

    So much truth in that and we've often talked in here about him throwing every punch hard. More combination punching would have been a godsend because they still would have been HARD punches. To say he had power to spare would be an understatement.