Earnie Shavers - ESB's Undisputed king of power.

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  1. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT banned Full Member

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    Ah, that’s Welcome to the Big Time. I’ve heard of it - now you recommend it I may well buy it. Have you read or know the best Liston bio? Swag recommended The Devil and…so I’m leaning toward that. I’m just finishing up my books on the old guard by Adam Pollack - Fitz, Jeffries, Johnson and Dempsey part 1.

    I’m gonna need some more books. Liston and Shavers sound like the ticket.

    I’ve never met any famous fighters - but we still have with us the 2 top punchers of the golden era and all time - unreal - I’d love to meet George and Earnie - they should do a world tour together - make it easier for me.
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

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    You should have been on this block!!!!
     
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  3. JohnThomas1

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    I saw your question but don't actually have a book on him. Of course I've read truckloads about him in mags as i grew up and plenty in online articles. Well truckloads in here too over many years as there's been so much information shared along the way, much of which we may otherwise never had read. The knowledge and insights that have been shared in here and continues to be shared is insane.

    How good would they be to talk too. Mayweather should do a tandem interview!

    I might nab Lyle's book one day too.
     
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  4. Pugguy

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    Ha! I did mean this block! I’ve moved into Senior Psycho territory now.
     
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  5. Pugguy

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    Sweet. My first cursory read thought you meant Floyd! Yes, of course, the “better” Mayweather, Jeff, would be the perfect complement, not least for his signature laugh.
     
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  6. JohnThomas1

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    Jeez that was fast :lol:

    I shudder to think what stage i'm at then :lol:
     
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  7. Dynamicpuncher

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    Thanks mate I'm not gonna lie before I joined this site, I never really did scorecards. I watched plenty of fights, and kept a rough scorecard in my head. But never really did an official RBR scorecard, @Jel @scartissue been getting me into it. In that scorecard thread we have stickied here. And ever since that I do enjoy scoring the odd fight now.
     
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  8. JohnThomas1

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    Scoring almost gives me a headache i concentrate that intently :lol:

    I've whacked some cards out in the last 5 years or so. Philly and co had a weekly thread or something like that with a fight to score and i did quite a few. It was good. Jel and scar are machines and Sal does quite a few too. I'm sure i came across a guys personal thread in Gen some time back where he was scoring loads of fights. He was great at it too.
     
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  9. Dynamicpuncher

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    Yeah I think @Jel told me about weekly thread Phillyfan used to do. Its shame he doesn't do it anymore, as for having a headache scoring fights. I know few months back, I was scoring Pedroza's fights vs Lockridge. They were so close they gave me a headache aswell.
     
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  10. JohnThomas1

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    Yeah i remember the mags also talking about the closeness. The Laporte and Taylor fights were also reasonably close from memory.
     
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  11. Dynamicpuncher

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    If I'm being completely honest with you, I actually gave up on scoring the Taylor fight. Virtually nothing happened for most of the rounds, Taylor was on his bike too much, and they cancelled eachother out. That one was a bit of a stinker.

    I did really enjoy the LaPorte fight, plenty of action in that one. I thought Pedroza won it by a few rounds, but the real controversy is should Pedroza have been thrown out, for all them low blows, and all the other naughtiness he was doing.
     
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    Yes there was a huge outcry over what he got away with in that one.

    Yeah that's right, Taylor ran and ran and ran some more.
     
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    Eusebio Pedroza vs Juan LaPorte

    1 LaPorte
    2 LaPorte
    3 LaPorte 10-8 point deduction
    4 Pedroza
    5 Pedroza
    6 LaPorte
    7 Pedroza
    8 Even round 9-9 because of point deduction
    9 Pedroza
    10 Pedroza
    11 Pedroza
    12 Pedroza
    13 Pedroza
    14 Even round 9-9 because of point deduction
    15 Pedroza

    143-139 Pedroza

    So yes another Pedroza fight today, i'm currently going through his career atm.

    LaPorte dominated the first 3 rounds, stunning Pedroza quite badly in rounds 2 and 3. And with the point deduction Pedroza was already in a hole being 4 points down.

    But Pedroza is such a good 15 round fighter, and after that bad start slowly started to work his way back in the fight. With some tactics that certainly wern't in the queensbury rules. But the fight was still competitive with LaPorte having his moments in spurts, and still being dangerous with his right hands.

    But after the 8th round i thought Pedroza controlled the fight, and really took the fight to LaPorte. And never stopped throwing punches and just outworked LaPorte down the stretch.

    And even with the 3 point deductions i still think Pedroza deserved the win quite clearly, although he may of been lucky not to get DQ'ed aswell.

    But overall a pretty exciting fight, the most exciting Pedroza fight i've seen so far.

    @JohnThomas1 this is how i scored the Laporte fight.
     
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  14. Rakesh

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    MASSIVE difference between being an amazing finisher and hitting the hardest.
     
  15. JohnThomas1

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    So here's a list i posted over a decade ago in here that Jimmy Young put forward apparently more times than once. I can't rememebr where i got it from but it would have been certified if i posted it. It was made before he had fought Cooney but he did take those punches pretty well excepting the cut.

    When asked to rate Norton, Foreman, Lyle and Shavers he maintained the same story over the years. Credible list for me.

    1. Shavers
    2. Foreman
    3. Lyle
    4. Norton