Earnie Shavers' Power Quotes- An Explanation

I'm just saying the best chin Earnie cracked, because that's what you asked for. He's slippery or not that's the best chin he cracked. Noted that Young had his face smashed by Foreman mercilessly at round 7 and got beat up by Gerry Cooney just to lose by cut.

 

Well the jury is still obviously out on Earnie’s punching power. We can still argue on this til the cows come home.

We have 11 witnesses/jurors voting in the affirmative as to the allegations against Earnie. Someone already counted 11 and I trust them - I’m too lazy to check. So Earnie is “almost” but “not quite” officially guilty of being The Hardest Puncher Ever

We need the elusive, MIA 12th witness/juror. Could it be Roy Tiger Williams? Is he perhaps under police witness protection such is the value of his testimony? Last I heard he was a singer in a band (masquerading?). He certainly hasn’t been seen/heard of for a while as far as I know.

 

your adding cross something I never said this for Dave

Dave punches was so strong that if his hook connected grazed the person could only take 1 more they was hurt for the rest of the round and sore the next rounds If connected clean they went down or made sure that same punch didnt hit clean agian

how could you think I meant that hitting real hard meant a god no God's usually in sports or anything means they are looked at as nobody ever can be better then thats is the way earn power is looked at as

cause of some words by mutiple men I never told you mutiple times vid proof goes over words and larry was 1 man to fight mike and earn

I dont buy the larry was was hurt more from earn bull he was older with mike and wasnt as tough those shots mike dropped him with looked to be more damaging now the other punches before larry was dropped might have hurt more

even if the drop punches was more painful from earn like I said still its 1 man its mutiple other punchers larry didnt fight mutiple other punches ali didnt fight
mutiple punchers all the 70s boxers didnt fight cause they didnt come yet
its people who wasn't born yet but people still say earn hit harder then those born

ehe still has this god title that nobody can go over yet people like I said ali and others have attributes that others have been better at in areas but for some odd reason its impossible for anybody to hit harder then the so called god like power of earn

 

Did it ever occur to you that Ali is one of the most durable heavyweights ever? He took flush blows off Foreman and Liston too among countless others. He took one right hand off Foreman that would have knocked a great many heavyweights to the floor. So what if Shavers landed the odd heavy punch on him. We know that on at least one of them he had Ali on ***** street in a big way.

Regarding Frazier he landed almost as many clean hard left hooks on Ali as you make weekly spelling mistakes. Take particular note that Frazier has ceaseless stamina, a huge workrate and carries his power and venom all the way to the 15th round in their initial encounter.

Compounded on top is that Frazier is probably the greatest body puncher in Heavyweight history. He pounds that body hard and often. Do you think this happens to take it's toll on the poor guy standing opposite him? Do you think it aids his overall package with regards to knocking down and/or stopping people? Kill the body and the head dies?

The icing on the cake is that Frazier is simply relentless. He makes you work hard, harder than you want to and simply doesn't stop doing it. There no room to rest and he doesn't sit idle in clinches like a Tyson does. You are constantly fighting to keep him off. Fighting hard to keep him off. Look at the output he forced from Ali. Frazier is an absolute avalanche of pressure. He suffocates, he overwhelms.

I shudder what might have happened If Ali took as many clean blows from Shavers as he did from Frazier particularly if we factor in Shavers being able to maintain his power through the course of a fight like Frazier did.

All of this is just common sense and shouldn't even need debating.

 

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Sure. No argument. Knowing all about him, I expected Young to naturally be submitted also. Notwithstanding his D, he also showed some great chops. That’s why I think, no matter how defensively adept a fighter is, sooner or later his chin will be well tested when fighting among the upper echelon of the division. So, in some ways, a decent to great beard can be a requirement/correlate for guys who manage to reach and hang with the top guys in their division. Certainly Earnie himself, despite his power, encountered such beards. The punches Ali somehow absorbed from Earnie were ridiculous.

 

did it occur to you that no man is supposed to take 8 clean hard shots from a man who power was like a god as you people act like
which you ignored

and ignored to that joe hit way less hard yet dropped him which hurt him more then those 8 shots and all shots was clean I seen that match 3 times and every match I watch always takes longer cause I will play back certain parts so those 8 shots wasnt as good as Joe's cause of the tech joe had

where is the common sense I lack at I dont talk lies or lack of common sense at it's all I use if you noticed sense I always put holes in outdated quotes like your trying to use with me

I did say that ali chin/jaw was super tough i said that mutiple times and I argee on everything you said on joe

joe was just a better puncher he knew how to make his punches have more effect tech goes over power when that power isnt behind good tech I said this mutiple times to on George overrated power to

earn never would land alot on ali he didnt fight the right way same as George never would in that sloopy tech ver the only way George would land enough is if he had his old body skills I said this earlier and last week to

 

No-one is saying his power was like a god. Your embellishments makes it obvious that you have a personal and emotional investment in this. As i said in my earlier post the whole Shavers power thing seems to evoke insecurity in quite a few posters.

I just made a very very simple easy to follow post addressed to you with multiple points you have overlooked as to why Frazier dropped Ali and Shavers didn't. It was 100% wasted.

The quotes will never be outdated as they are still relevant to The Acorns era and those that made the comments.

The lack of common sense is appallingly obvious as i made umpteen points regarding Frazier and the Ali fight and ALL of it went completely over your head. The insights i put forward would be supported by the vast majority if not all of the good posters in here.

No you don't agree with everything i said on Joe as you still ignored it all in relation to the Ali fight. It's ok, you are beyond my efforts to reason with. I get that.

I made any amount of relevant points on Joe/Acorn vs Ali. George's power is overrated too i see. Of course it is

There's Sloopy again. Ali survived massive blows against each. Well truth be told he survived everything Frazier dished out too regardless of a KD.

That's why Ali is Ali, a guy the vast majority perceive to be "The Greatest".

 

Literally nobody has ever said that in this thread. It's all you.

Yes, being a better puncher and having better technique is exactly why Frazier produced a knockdown and people who are harder punchers didn't. He applied consistent pressure all night with better stamina and skill.

If you understand this, why do you insist on bringing up the Frazier fight and comparing it to the shavers fight? There's your answer. Shavers being unable to knockdown Ali is not some sort of "ah ha" moment that you can use to prove shavers is overrated. What part of this are you not getting? You even acknowledged Ali has a great chin and that he avoided some of shavers best punches while Frazier stuck it to him the entire fight.

John broke this down quite well and yet you're still arguing.

 

You're putting a whole lot of weight on Ali taking 8 clean punches from Shavers.

People make entire highlight reels on YouTube of weaker-chinned guys like Lewis and Wlad taking punches from top punchers.

 

its important is why the 8 shots matter compared to joe who didnt hit as hard and dropped ali

well yea lewis and wlad do have vids of that but when I did see lennox face Dave his head was almost took off from the beginning of the bell after that he kept distance the rest of the match cause of that fear of the punch I said more then once

 

my problem is quotes that keep being repeated like people cant think or see for themselves people are stuck into believing the same as others cause it's been said for years that is a big problem

when I have explained mutiple times by using quotes as he said and this man said means it has to go over all future boxers that is seeing a person as a god God's in sports or anything else can only be trumped by another god I have never heard anybody hold anybody else to that title except George which is a lie to so why did you laugh when that is a fact your laughing at yourself

how didnt I argee to stuff you said on joe when i have said some of the same stuff in the past you cant tell me what I argee with if i already have said the same before

and no the quotes will always be outdated sense its been mutiple boxers sense 80s who have hit harder then earn which you act like is impossible going back to that god like quote I said

if the man wasnt a god well why is it people still say his power was the only one in history and nobody ever could replace that in people like you minds

I told flash before im not stuck I told him he was the same as you seem to be and others

you must not seen me ask legend magoo mutiple times and 70s to show me anybody who louis fought who moved like joe and who cut off like George they wont cause it never happened

i have asked to for anybody to show me Louis moving like razor or bowe they wont cause it didnt exist

im not stuck into these quotes or holding a person to some god or to act like I cant see just cause other people do it like a fad that wont die

if you people just said which is the right way that earn was the hardest hitting hw for his era and before would be no problem with people like me the problem is saying hardest hitting hw ever when it's been shown mutiple times he has been trumped by people I named and others

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how comes its never what I see you see how this stuck mind is bad

 

You don't think anyone could find eight Tua shots that failed to drop his opponent?

 

not from his sig shot mutiple times all we got is ike and I dont like to count that dude sense he super juiced

I reather count other people who was known to be tough without juice and was in pain even before the drop which I have seen

 

Great Stuff JT. As usual.