Earnie Shavers' Power Quotes- An Explanation

Quotes are one of the reasons I believe Shavers was an incredible puncher.

They are not the only reason I believe this.

 

How are they outdated against George? George fought in the 1970s.

Also, who said George hit harder than Shavers?

 

Exactly: Nobody feels the punches watching it. Only Foreman's opponents felt the punches. That's why it's useful to ask them how hard it felt.

If you're looking at how the opponent reacted, you're looking for external clues about what the opponent felt. But there's another way to figure out how an opponent felt. Asking them.

I also said that Younger Foreman sometimes threw punches with good leverage. It's not like every punch was an arm punch.

 

It also sounds like it's ultimately measuring the same thing the quotes are. Just one step removed.

"How did you feel when Shavers hit you?"

versus

"How does it look like he felt when Shavers hit him?"

 

Can you explain the method behind this then, please?

In particular, what is your unit of measure? (I'm guessing this is something along the lines of medium-hard; hard; really hard; really, really hard, etc).

How do you account for variables - such as viewing angle; natural movement of the fighter taking the punches; overall punch resistance of the opponents (also taking into consideration the age and condition of the boxer taking the punches), punishment already taken by the opponents during the fight being observed - up to the point of taking the measurement?

How do you measure these reactions consistently across many opponents?

What happens when there is testimony from a boxer, who actually took the punches, which contradicts your measurement of the same?

 

Fighters reactions are an iffy slippery slope..

Ali made a whole career out of faking it. Most notably shavers. He was in fact badly hurt in round 2 and shavers bought it.

Pulev tried the whole silly face thing against Joshua but got his ass kicked.

Spinks had a weird terrified look in many fights.

Cooper and Foreman just stared blankly ahead and rarely showed emotion.

2 guys can fight the same big puncher, both can get rocked or knocked down, and both can have completely different reactions.

 

no it's the only reason you believe cause when I said how others dont have quotes you said well shouldnt we go with the proven quotes

 

lots of people say it its outdated cause it was harder hitters then George that came in 80s and ever sense then well not really now unless we count deontay ko punch which I dont know where to rank it wasnt with anybody tough really

but if we compare his no names vs George's no names deontay with his sig punched caused way more damage wasnt George sig punch the uppercut

 

so you argee that George in his older body threw better single shots cause of tech being way better which he never could drop a person with a well timed shots in his young days like he did when old

but not everybody was asked that's where the hole is its mutiple people who never fought George and earn and we have to go off of reaction or the number of shots landed to which counts as damage to

 

My question was, why are the quotes outdated for comparing 70s Foreman to 70s Shavers?

 

Could you show me the post where I say that the only reason I believe Shavers hit hard is because of "proven quotes"?

 

What I'm saying is that Foreman in his second career often threw better shots and had better technique than young Foreman. But it's not 100% of the time.

Sometimes young Foreman threw punches with great leverage. Sometimes old Foreman threw arm punches.

 

90's Foreman had better technique than 70s. But he was much slower, less explosive, and not anywhere near as aggressive so it kind of cancels itself out.

 

it wasn't all the time but mostly his tech was way better compared to young

 

That's a reasonable stance.

If you're asking about the harder puncher, tho, you're basically going to be looking at the strongest punches he threw. So you'd look at the best technical punches thrown by young Foreman.

Those BEST punches would be harder than the old version, IMO, because young Foreman was a younger man in his prime.