Earnie Shavers' Power Quotes- An Explanation

I don't think that this argument stacks up to be honest.

For example Jimmy Young's career best win was defeating George Foreman, and even he said that Shavers hit him harder!

 

not suspicious or lying but outdated cause of not facing other era's I said this mutiple times you keep leaving that out

without facing other era's we have no reason to say he hit the hardest why would we he hit the hardest for his era and before not the whole boxing game in history

the same way how it's been mutiple people who moved with better defense then joe and ali and mutiple others

what is suspicious is why you keep saying how words mean its gotta be true why does that mean something to you instead of in ring it's like you really believe those words go over everything

cause of hitting so called harder then 1 boxer in common mike which doesn't talk for mutiple other boxers which makes that point of proof a lie

 

I left it out because, as I was trying to tell you above, other people believe that fighters within Shavers's own era are harder punchers than Tua.

My whole point was that if somebody already believes Foreman or Tyson were harder hitters than Tua, there's no need to compare Shavers to Tua.

Tua didn't face other eras either. But you still think his left hook might make him the hardest puncher in history.

I think their testimony matters when they all agree on it, and they all got hit by other guys who are considered among the hardest hitters ever.

If you're trying to gauge how hard a guy punches, wouldn't you want to ask the guys who actually felt the punches?

 

they didnt hit harder then dave thats a lie it is no vid that you can show showing they did

no none of those dudes faced razor bruno lennox Smith tua and others so no they didnt face every hard hitter your talking on past not future that I keep saying

I said answering your question specific by punch and your right Dave didnt face other era's but he did face tougher people and even when we compare no names his punch for putting people in danger like I said caused a person to make sure they didnt get hit by it agian cleanly or if grazed was damaged bad even In other rounds

it is no punch like that in 70s
if asking a question not everybody will say the same thing it's not reliable to go off words

Larry was known to be real tough yet he took mutiple hard shots it is no way he takes close to that with dave

the quotes matter for certain boxers he hit harder then not the whole history of boxing

 

People literally point to vids as proof that Foreman or Tyson hit harder. I don't think they're "lying" about believing Foreman or Tyson hit harder than Tua. It would be a weird thing to lie about.

Right, what I'm saying is that other people *do believe*, from video alone, that Foreman or Tyson or Cooney or Shavers hit harder than Tua or the other 90s/2000s guys.

So if somebody already believes that, from film alone, you wouldn't really need to compare Shavers to Tua with testimony. All you need is testimony about who's better between the 70s/80s guys.

 

I personally don’t rank anyone as being “ the hardest puncher “ of all time. I think it’s something that frankly is impossible to measure. I do however feel that there are a select several men who circle the top of the list. Shavers is probably one of the top 5.

 

Why even debate with that guy, in his opinion boxing started when he started watching it, and nothing else seems to matter.
One cannot learn if they think they know it all.

 

Yeah. To preserve my sanity, I usually think of these questions as asking, "If you had to bet on which contender in history turns out to hit harder than the others, whom would you bet on?"

 

never have I acted like that no I know boxing became advanced and polished in 60s which I am right most people know this

you just dont like that Im not the same as others who talk a certain way using the same outdated quotes or like to argee on everything you need more people like me and white

 

alot of people do believe the best skilled mike did hit the hardest I used to but like I said earlier I look at category

mike hit the hardest for a great timed counterpuncher cause of his angles and speed which you know causes a ko fast cause of the suddenness

George is the top 10 hardest hitting slugger

dave I wouldnt call a counterpuncher or slugger he was a brawler which like I said nobody from that category hit as hard especially not with a hook

I do have a number one- top 10 for slugger and outboxer and boxer which I would have to go back and watch cause I might change my mind but from the legends I gave you there is no debunk

so that's categories of top 10 for each category I said earlier I dont think simple which you probably have noticed weeks ago or how ever long you seen my stuff so thats why I cant just be stuck and just argee with what you said

maybe they meant George hit the hardest for a slugger which they would be right
years ago before it was any sluggers who hit hard really

earn I look at was a boxer who threw slug type shots which if we look at a certain punch hit way harder then anything George ever threw cause of the speed and pressure he put into it


I dont know where to rank George I have seen harder hitting sluggers but none as strong as far as physical which most people confuse George with his hitting power alot

 

Eh, so far he hasn't been rude to me or anything. (At least as far as I can tell from his posts.)

I usually avoid engaging with the people who are actively insulting me. But unusual views aren't usually much of a problem (for me) unless they're condescending and nasty about them like Revolver was.

 

Most people don't divide punchers by category when debating power. So when posters say "George was the hardest hitter of all time," most posters mean that they believe that George hit harder than anybody else, period.

But: using your system, there are a lot of people who think that Big George hit harder than any modern sluggers.

For those people, common opponents saying Shavers hit harder than George would be a very big deal. Because they already believe George hit harder than the modern dudes. That only leaves the early guys to compare George to. Shavers has a ton of people saying he hits harder than other early guys.

 

well those who just say simple as George hit harder then anybody is a lie which I have said mutiple times people have hit harder and I would say more harder by a good amount same with earn

boxing doesn't work like that sense it is categories of style like boxer outboxer slugger counterpuncher to say just simple as he hit harder is not a good way to look at boxing or any other sport its complex

which is why I did say dave with his hook hits way harder then both sense we dont have on vid George or earn causing fear of a punch or destruction from it the same as dave it is no vid of it like I said the way dave hook was like it was metal it hit so hard

damaged the person for the next rounds they usually couldnt recover from it good

i agreed and said twice that earn did hit the hardest compared to era's before and his own I wont argee he harder then lots of boxers when looking at the people he fought the toughness they had and the size of them

earnie if you watch his match with ali gave him his strongest punch 8 clean times ali was known to be super tough we all know that the man chin had metal in it

but you know it is no way a man is supposed to take 8 clean hard shots and not fall down no matter how tough his jaw/chin is then add ali had his arms down which added to the shots

it is no way a man could take 8 clean super hard like metal shots from Dave and still stand I like to leave ike out cause that dude was so juiced up its ridiculous

Im talking a natural man never have I seen take 8 clean real hook shots from dave it never happened

I can add other boxers who hit harder then earn like razor his combo hook/uppercut another punch which caused mutiple people to fall from it only landing it once or twice that man hit hard to with his regular punches in general fighting guys who was bigger and tougher then people earn fought

but I dont go off of ko only like most razor's punches like I said in general were strong he is my fav slugger of all time as far as a mover he is top 5 in his movements he punched from good angles uses the ring good and used good defense this is the young razor

the old razor didnt have much variety in his punches and movement dropped but still hit hard

 

Why? Let them be. They're not being disrespectful to each other. They're making their points and debating on a mutual level. Just because you don't like what MoneyMan posts doesn't mean they should stop.

If you don't like it, then tough titties. He's not disrespecting or looking down at you. Let them be.

 

facts legend san one of my fav posters
most people not used to the raw truth like I give or the none quotes I dont use they not used to that which im not offended by

im happy to be one of the most unique posters here