Earnie Shavers' Power Quotes- An Explanation

How would we know he's not the rule rather than the exception? What would stop us from suspecting that most of the hardest punchers lack other skills to make their power count at higher levels?

 

where did you see me saying argee to me I said dont argee to any words use your own vision cause for a fact your following what other people said not your own eyes

I dont care of quotes you do quotes you like to repeat stuff you read or heard I dont do that that doesn't work with me you have seen my post so you know quotes that are said to me always get exposed as flawed

I reather hear or be told in a person's own words of what they think

my mind is open yours is stuck

 

I don't know, man. I don't think it's that crazy. Something which is abnormal is by definition not normal, yes? But to have at least one abnormality is...fairly normal. There are several fighters that say DaVarryl Williamson had the hardest power they ever felt if you count sparring experience. But it just doesn't mean much by itself. Monte Barrett thought Haye had power that felt like Wlad's. But, again, if you have that power on a 6'6 body, on someone who grew up boxing, with Olympic pedigree, who is also fairly quick, and has an all-star trainer, it's a total package matter. I think Peter had some nice outings in terms of his skill level, actually. I was never much on the weakness of the era, honestly. He could be very sloppy, both in technique and fitness, but it doesn't mean the power wasn't there, and the power just doesn't mean that much. It's just a thing. Take my tadger, please. You can't see it from across the room when I'm at my very happiest, but do I know how to USE it? No. So, technically, that was just a bad example, and I immediately regret bringing it up, so to speak. But I'm sure you got what I was saying without that anyway.

 

the brainwashed is not using the quote but believing in the quote cause mutiple people said it must make it true

why cant you have your own thoughts or view is what im saying cause I got my own im not stuck in a time

that is right to get quotes from that person I argee but how can you and others say he hit harder when we can see vid of people hitting harder who have caused stoppages faster and drops which most people would take as hitting harder

thats when I go back to the category of fighting style when we seen people do more damage at a certain style like a outboxer or mike who was a counterpuncher we can use mutiple people like razor who was a slugger or Dave like I did

when we see these people use certain styles of fighting and do more damage then earnie at his style it's no way to just say this 1 man hits harder he didnt not at his style I dont see it

joe dropped ali not cause he hit harder but cause of tech those punches to the chin hurt ali way more then earn did sense ali never once looked like he might fall see that that's what im saying the punch effectiveness joe did was way better using his style compared to earn punch style using his

mutiple people like I said have been way more effective with their style of punching then earn was at his which can like you know show a way of damages by punches to

 

I do have my own view. I just use the quotes as *some of* the evidence for my view.

The quotes tell me that lots of people who felt Earnie's punches in the 70s and 80s thought he hit harder than it her 70s/80s punchers. (Like Foreman, Tyson, and Cooney.)

Since I have my own INDEPENDENT reasons for believing that Foreman in particular hit extraordinarily hard, that puts Shavers in a very select group.

Well, as @Glass City Cobra said, lots of people watch Shavers on film and think he looks like a very damaging puncher. They also look at his record and see a ton of KOs. And they look at his record against elite fighters and notice that he dropped or stopped almost all of them.

 

he did hit hard but like I said that was from his era and before I seen harder hitters with 1 shot power like razor uppercut/hook have you ever seen earn do that with 1 punch strong shot that didnt take mutiple punches

why do you need quotes if you have your own eyes if you have your own eyes quotes are not needed if you need quotes to verify your view dont you think if we didnt have those quotes you wouldn't be saying that

I can look at video alone and see earn didnt hit as hard as mutiple others I gave you dave now razor 2 known super strong favorite punches which dropped people in a vicious way earn never did well he did but it never was from a short number of punches like them

it is no match earn showing that visious type of power in 1 strong punch

 

I agree with the conclusion, except I am unsure if older Foreman hit harder than guys like Ruddock, Bruno, Tua, Smith, 'roid Morrison...Someone said Tyson may have hit harder than Foreman by the mid '90's. More likely that by then Foreman only hit as hard as Mike, but in the early '90's, as hard as anyone modern, & at least a little harder in his prime. Make sense?

 

Of course that makes perfect sense. The weight of your evidence is overwhelming.
Plus it is one guy substituting subjective impressions of effects of shots.
And ignoring how & specific instances when guys like Tua failed to drop or KO guys that others did.

And ignoring that a quite limited # of Shaver's many KOs & knockdowns are even caught on film!

 

My eyes can't feel the impact of Earnie's punches. I can't feel Tua's punches through the TV screen, either.

Video is good, but it doesn't tell the whole story. Neither do quotes. But the quotes come from guys who physically felt the punches hitting their bodies. So they're separate and useful evidence, IMO.

 

Well, they do. Cooney, shavers, Briggs, Simms, and Wilder are notorious for lacking in skills and technique but making up for it with devastating power.

It's just that compared to even them, Peter looks even cruder in comparison and has less impressive knockouts. He lacks both the resume and eye test. I was never really impressed with Peter. I always put him in the ballpark of sloppy sluggers such as James Smith, Buddy Baer, etc. Hit hard enough to get your respect but nowhere near the upper echelon of devastating hitters.

 

Let me give you another analogy.

Have you ever seen one of those cooking show competitions where two chefs compete to make the best food?

How can you (the viewer) tell which chef cooked the best food? You can't taste the food yourself.

You've got a few ways to judge the food.

First, you can watch the film of the food being made and served. Did the chef put the right ingredients in? Does it look tasty? All that stuff. That's "video evidence."

Second, you can listen to what the judges thought about the food. Did they think it was tasty? How did they describe its flavor? Those are "quotes."

Third, you can look at the credentials of the chef who made the food. Is he known as a good chef? Is he an expert at making tasty food? That's his "record."

It's a similar situation with watching boxing. Records tell you something different from fight videos. Videos tell you something different from quotes. They're all evidence, but they're different kinds of evidence. Each of them is telling you something you can't get from the other types of evidence.

 

I get what you're saying, but I still somewhat disagree because he just rarely produced any world class knockouts. You'd think with the proverbial punchers chance he'd have at least one decent scalp.

Who was Peters best KO? The NABA "champ" Taurus Sykes? A 39 year old Maskaev?

Shavers was crude, but he had a few decent elite wins over guys like Norton, Ellis, Bugner, etc.

Just watching Peter's fights, the man can clearly hit and was a bulldozer of a man at his peak constantly rushing you with heavy shots. But... devastating one punch power higher than Wladmir??? I just don't see it. And he's fought his fair share of tomato cans and Joruneyman yet he sorely lacks in highlight reel moments. Where are they?

I get what you're saying, power doesn't mean anything if you can't use it properly or you can't land on someone. But here's the thing, he landed on plenty of guys. Plenty of people went the distance with him and got hit by a decent number of shots without going down, including some fairly mediocre boxers. something's got to give. You didn't see people just comfortably going the distance with guys like Shavers or Wilder, they were in for a very rough night and would often be dropped, rocked hard, and.covered in bruises and welts. Not so with Peter. Hell, the same applies to Wladmir whom he supposedly hits harder than!

While we're on the subject of quotes, Toney did say Peter was the hardest puncher he fought, but Toney had a very thin HW resume and the best puncher he faced aside from toney was Rahman.

 

Not sure if you really want to go the route of razor Ruddock to make your case.

He couldn't drop let alone KO 35 year old Weaver coming off a loss who was stopped a total of 12x.

Fought Tyson for 19 rounds, landed plenty of his signature smash punches and never floored him once.

Couldn't finish the job against Morrison who had horrible stamina and a suspect chin in a wild zero defense slugfest that should have suited Ruddock.

Sconiers,13 stoppage losses and nearly 50 lbs lighter than Ruddock, not floored once.

Couldn't put a dent in Conroy Nelson with 15 stoppage losses.

I get that nobody can knock out "everyone" but some of these really stand out. Shavers fought plenty of bums with losing records, but he also often made sure to dispose of them and not go the distance with them. And unlike Ruddock, you didn't find guys just comfortably going the distance with shavers without getting badly hurt or dropped at some point.

As for Tua, I'll ask again where are his KOs over very durable opponents? You keep whining about the eye test, but stopping a skilled cagey fighter or a very durable opponent is also a criteria for a devastating ATG puncher. Shavers not only stopped the very durable and cautious Bugner, Bugner did not hesitate to name shavers as the best hitter he faced.

 

I think these are good analogies and I love to give them myself, but it's a lost cause. He's convinced quotes are meaningless.

I mean we all know what his agenda is at this point, he's very transparent and blunt (even if you need a decoder ring to figure out what he's writing).

My impression is he grew up a huge fan of 90's HW boxers and is absolutely enthralled by the highlight reel KOs of his favorite names like Tyson, Tua, and Ruddock destroying journeymen in neatly edited montages on YouTube complete with hardcore gangsta rap and camera shaking.

Then he stumbled on old grainy footage of Joe Louis and Dempsey and came.to the conclusion boxing reached its peak during his era and the old times boxers would get wrecked in a couple rounds at best. I mean, the guy straight up said Louis wouldn't make it as a 4 round boxer today and that Frazier had better footwork than Walcott.

 

Ali fought some of the most powerful punchers in history,,Liston, Foreman, Cleveland Williams, Lyle, Shavers, Frazier and when asked who hit the hardest he didn't hesitate,, Earnie Shavers hit the hardest. LeRoy Caldwell who fought Foreman and Shavers said Shavers hit harder ,,by FAR!.