Earnie Shavers Power?

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  1. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Norton is a great scalp, but he was past his prime at this point.
     
  2. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maher is not highly ranked because he fought 130 years ago and we don't have any film of him. It's not because he's not powerful enough.
     
  3. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is a good argument. And it could be argued that Norton gave away the last of his best against Larry (Larry, being younger, was able to bounce back quick).
     
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  4. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm very high on Norton, but his best years ended with the end of Holmes fight. He was never the same after that. I don't think prime Norton would have been destroyed by Shavers and Cooney as quickly.
     
  5. Glass City Cobra

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    He was ranked #1. He was the WBC champion 9 months before Shavers stopped him in 1. Spare me the he was washed up talk. There isn't anything a boxer can do better to prove their punching power aside from stopping a reigning champion.

    Maher did neither.

    I'm still waiting for someone to explain why Marciano's resume gets a pass since all his best KO's were men nearly 40 because they were ranked in the top 10. Either knocking out a top 10 opponent validates punching power or it doesn't, take your pick.
     
  6. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think you can take away from the manner of Shavers' victory over Norton, too much, on the strength of it having occurred after Holmes/Norton - it was less than a year after, with Norton returning with a Win, in between, and him going the distance with a prime contender, after the Shavers Loss.

    The Cooney/Norton bout took place more than two years after Shavers beat Norton, after Norton had already announced a retirement. Lumping Shavers' and Cooney's KOs of Norton into the same bag doesn't do Shavers justice, in my opinion.
     
  7. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fair enough, although it doesn't prove that I'm wrong. Even the best fighters can become dminished after tough fight (Holmes). But you have a point - it's a great win over top tier contender.
    Well, technically it was talked that he knocked out Fitzsimmons (there was a controversy about their first fight).
    There was no ranking during Maher's era, but he stopped Goddard who was definitely a top contender (just avoided). He also stopped Choynski who was always top tier contender (their fight was called an eliminator to Corbett fight).
    I'm not sure why you bring it up. I'm not Marciano supporter.
     
  8. 70sFan865

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    Fair enough, let's give him full credit for Norton's stoppage. Maher still had at least comparable top stoppages and better overall resume.
     
  9. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have to completely agree with you here, my friend.
     
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  10. It's Ovah

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    The most you can (and should) say about Shavers was that he was possibly the hardest puncher of his era. Since that includes a prime Foreman that's not a bad statement to have made about you, but ultimately it's still just a guessing game, and Foreman had much more quality stoppages on his resume anyway.

    In no way, shape or form can you categorically state that Shavers was the biggest puncher of all time. Personally I think a number of HWs from the 80s, 90s and 2000s hit harder than him, but again not something that can be proved (or disproved).

    One thing I'll say about Shavers with a reasonable degree of certitude is that he was probably one of the hardest punching cruiserweights of all time. That he was able to command so much respect against 220-230 lbs guys at a fleshy 210lbs says a lot about his P4P power.
     
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  11. catchwtboxing

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    We aren't really disagreeing, then.
     
  12. SerbianLoudmouth

    SerbianLoudmouth Overhand right-Suzie Q Full Member

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    It does you idiot!
    Foreman and Shavers had bigger KO ratio than Tyson for a reason!
    Almost everyone?Chisora,Ross,Byrd...all stated Vitali was stronger,tougher and punched harder dummy!
    If Chuvalo had better chin than Frazier why he didn't have that KO ratio?
     
  13. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    No it doesn't. Just go away from this forum, you're ******ed. Everybody has told you you're stupid.

    Cause he wasn't as skilled as Frazier, that's why.
     
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  14. Glass City Cobra

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    I posted an interview where Chris Byrd stated without question that Wladmir hit harder than Vitali. It's on YouTube. You just ignore anything that doesn't fit your narrative.

    You can believe whatever you want but don't lie and put words in a fighter's mouth.
     
  15. janitor

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    You do know that Maher was considered the champion at one point?

    Even Corbett said that he was!
     
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