Earnie Shavers vs David Haye

This is clearly a case of wanting a fighter to win simply because people dont like the man hes matched against.

Shavers never catches him and, frankly, matches up poorly with Haye on the styles front. Haye's also bigger, faster, more skilled, and a better boxer.

Haye knocks him out within 5.

 

This.

In fairness Earnie is not in Haye's league, speed or skill wise.

 

Haye would possibly win this but he would put himself in the danger zone to do so.He couldnt take an old Ruiz out in 5 and Ruiz didn't have Shavers artillery. If Haye engages its a shoot out, if he boxes and moves , he wins.

 

No.
Shavers wasn't great but he was dangerous. He knocked out Ellis and Norton. He had his moments against Lyle and Holmes. I mean, he was there competing with good heavyweights, winning some, losing some.

Haye simply hasn't ever beat anyone at HW. No one who wasn't some decrepit has-been. there's no good fighters on his HW resume, apart from Klitschko. I guess you could say Dereck Chisora, but that's a jorneyman fighter in the 1970s.

 

As was Shavers himself.

You can quote who he knocked out, but look at who KO'd him. He is smaller, and a lot slower than Haye, who could also bang. Haye KO inside 6 rounds.

 

I don't even think Haye's much faster, if at all.
Haye's a figment of his own imagination. Somehow people still believe in it. He's done absolutely nothing.

 

Shavers didn't have Ruiz's chin or defense. David's smart enough not to trade with men who hit hard enough to KO him like Shavers- as we've seen, he's not hesitant to box and move if it comes down to it.

Sometimes, this leads to terrible fights for the viewer (like Wlad or Valuev), but his agile, sniping style is kryptonite on a come-forward slugger with an open defense like Shavers (and Chisora).

 

Winning a few and losing the majority would be a more accurate way to put it. Sorry, but having moments, special as they may be, in losing fights doesn't mean he was any better than what he was, which was a fringe contender in an "eh" point in the division.

The late 70's, when he got his title shots, just wasn't that good. Its reputation is lifted by how good the earlier part of the decade was, and Ali still entertaining people. There was Holmes coming up, but the rest of the top talent of the decade was down or out altogether. A fighter like Chisora would've been a title challenger.

Shavers was dangerous, sure. But his shortcomings are being given a heck of a free pass in this thread.

 

I can understand the "theory" behind David Haye's style and athleticism giving Shavers problems, but yeah I also agree with those who say Haye has done nothing to validate his abilities at heavyweight. With the exception of Derek Chisora, the rest of his heavyweight victims were all has beens and limited ones at that. I don't know if Haye could survive the kind of beating Shavers was giving to Lyle, and pull through to win the way that Ron did.

 

That's a reasonable opinion. I think I'm more concerned that Shavers, wicked a puncher as he was, had this happen to him other times- they might not've been wars, but he's had multiple fighters he did land on and knock down come back to win.

Sometimes, it was a tough ******* like Holmes who was practically impossible to knock out. No shame there- it happens. Other times, it was a fighter with a history of getting knocked out early going in to the fight like Mercado. Going in to it, nobody would say if Shavers floored Mercado early, that Mercado would still win. It was thought that, as both guys were punchers, the first guy to land would win.

That's not to say Earnie didn't hit hard enough to KO Haye (he did), but it might not be a slam dunk even if David gets floored.

 

True, although I'm not sure that the Mercado fight is the best example given that Shavers was past it by 1980. I don't know how many times Haye actually rose off the canvas to win a fight. Mormeck is the only example I can think of and that was at CW and against a man who's power can't possibly be compared to Shavers. I guess Haye has a good chance. Yeah he's unproven at heavyweight, but then again some of the seventies guys who shavers lost to or was troubled by were around cruiserweight size anyway.

 

It's a very close fight imo. Haye has a sharp punch himself and positions himself better. He'll be able to fight on the backfoot like he wants to.

Give Earnie a full length fight and he catches Haye for sure, but his own whiskers aren't that reliable, he's liable to fatigue and he isn't the best finisher.

Put a gun to my head and I'd bet on Haye, who is a not as good as Heavyweight as Shavers, but matches up well here.

 

No he wasn't. Sure, he hurt Holmes, he also hurt Ali. He wasn't going to beat these guys though.

He punched hard, no doubt. 6' with a very long reach (80") and a solid 210 Lbs. He wasn't the most durable HW ever, that's for sure. Shavers beat V. Rondon W10, Jimmy Young KO3, Jimmy Ellis KO1, then he was stopped in 1 round by Jerry Quarry (at this point he had been stopped twice, his 3rd loss), he had another decision loss then he drew with an improved Jimmy Young (I thought Young did enough for a win), he was stopped in 6 by Ron Lyle, he beat Henry Clark twice (once by KO), he lost a 15 round decisoin to Ali for the HW world title in 1977 (he did rock him in the fight). He lost a 12 round decision to Holmes for a shot at the WBC HW world title. Shavers stopped Ken Norton in the 1st round. Holmes stopped him in the 11th round of their rematch (a world title fight), but Shavers did have Holmes down in the 7th. Shavers would get stopped 3 more times.

Haye punches hard as well but doesn't seem to have the kind of power Shavers had. Haye is much quicker and a better overall boxer. Haye is 3" taller with a similar reach and they are pretty close in weight. He has been stopped once. It was early in his career (his 11th pro fight), at CW vs. Carl Thompson LKOby5. His only other loss is to Wladimir Klitschko L12. Haye has beat Arthur Williams KO3, Alex Gurov KO1, Mormeck KO7, Enzo Mac KO2, M. Barrett KO5, Valuev W12, Ruiz KO9, A. Harrison KO3, and Chisora KO5.

Shavers has a punchers chance against anybody but I think Haye beats him, probably by stoppage.

 

haye is the biggest fraud in boxing no way he holds up against Shavers

 

Who has Haye beaten at heavy ?