earnie shavers vs elmer "violent" ray...who wins

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  1. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    hey here is a wicked much up

    both have a million knockouts
    both were feared as vicious punchers

    both have a few great-good wins
    and many ko's over easier guys


    who wins?

    seems ray had more skills

    maybe shavers had more 1 punch power,,,,maybe

    shavers got a title shot
    sadly ray did not

    who do you pick and why?



    also elmer has the coolest nickname
     
    highguard, Jul 22, 2011
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  2. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    this seals the deal for me. ray had much better fundamentals from accounts. a newspaper report of his madison square garden debut (though i haven't read the original) gave him glowing reviews and the performance was felt to be enough to scare off joe louis. solid technical skill but just a shade lower power than shavers. ray had the skills to outpoint joe walcott, which gives him enough talent to outbox shavers if needed. he was vulnerable to knockouts admittedly but i don't know if shavers could set him up for the knockout without going through heavy fire himself

    Ray UD Shavers, with two knockdowns
     
    Jorodz, Jul 23, 2011
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  3. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Can't tell without seeing Ray fight but he probably has the skills, chin/defense to take Shavers into deep water and outbox him or KO him. Those wins over Primed versions of Charles and Walcott past his own prime are mighty impressive ones, plus the fact everyone ran from Ray speaks volumes
     
    PowerPuncher, Jul 23, 2011
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  4. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yes i think that you guys are makeing the right pick

    still the fight would be wicked
     
    highguard, Jul 23, 2011
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  5. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    If you believe the papers, Ray was suppose to be very fast. Read an article that described him as having "middleweight" speed.
     
    The Mongoose, Jul 23, 2011
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  6. janitor

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    I think that Ray was of a slightly higher calibre as others have suggested. I also think that he was a bit more durable. Even so, he could be taken out by a puncher like Turkey Tomphson, so we can't discount Shavers chances.

    I think the fans win this one!
     
    janitor, Jul 23, 2011
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  7. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Elmer Ray's build and especially his legs was epic (no homo)

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    PowerPuncher, Jul 23, 2011
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  8. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yeah he seemed very strong,

    interesting if ray would brawl or outbox shavers
     
    highguard, Aug 13, 2011
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  9. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    ??????????????????????
     
    highguard, Aug 17, 2011
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  10. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Could go either way.

    Ray was himself blown out by Turkey Thompson, who was himself a limited puncher.

    Probably one of those fights that depends on who lands first.
     
    My2Sense, Aug 20, 2011
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  11. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jesus another Shavers thread???!!!
     
    The Funny Man 7, Aug 20, 2011
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  12. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    This is an excellent matchup between two world class punchers who achieved similar status in their given day. For some reason I am inclined to picking Elmer Ray, but boy what a fight.....
     
    mr. magoo, Aug 20, 2011
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  13. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yes it would be a great fighter,
    just ray's greater skill seems to give him an edge

    but yeah what a war
     
    highguard, Aug 24, 2011
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  14. Muchmoore

    Muchmoore Guest

    Man people love seeing Shavers in fantasy matchups even though they're always the same ****.

    "Shavers has a punchers chance against (insert name) but more often that not he loses" :lol:

    At least this isn't another Shavers-Tyson though.
     
    Muchmoore, Aug 24, 2011
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  15. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    no this is different because both had similar reps in a way,

    and ray was a great fighter

    so no need to say atleast about him
     
    highguard, Aug 24, 2011
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