Eastern Europe and Britain will dominate the heavyweight divsion for the next ten yea

Britain is never going to dominate a division.

 

Yeah i can see that. There has to be a New and inventive way to interest American kids (ages 14-17) who have heavyweight size...to interest them in Boxing. Because if a 14-17 American Kid that stands 6'2 plus and over 200lbs...Chances are, teachers, coaches, within school...will try to get them interested in Basketball or Football.

And when a kid has that kind of size...and especially in "Urban" areas of the US...their Athleticism will be AMAZING...they will gravitate toward Basketball or Football.

And in these "Urban" areas...Parks, Playgrounds, Rec centers, Black-Top Hoop courts, open fields (for football) are everywhere.

Asked the average "Urban" kid in America where can he buy /purchase Gloves, Boxing shoes, protective gear? Then Ask him where is the nearest Boxing Gym / Facility?

Now that I am living on the West Coast...the Majority of Boxing Facilities are in Mexican Neighborhoods. And to think that a "NON-MEXICAN" kid is just going to walk or take the Bus / Train through these "hoods" looking to learn to Box....NOT HAPPENING!!!!

So yeah...I can agree to your statement that European Dominance of the Heaveyweight division will last fro the next 10 years and beyond.

But 122-160lbs...Will always be North and Latin America.

 

lol all of the bold indicates that you have either never seen either Klitschko fight or your blind man love for Tyson is clouding your views.

Volodymyrs jab is on par with Holmes and Lewis. You're right that he's seen a jab at that level before, Lewis, you're wrong in trying to imply that it wouldn't be an issue for Tyson to deal with.

Vitali stays in one spot?

Vitali is amazing at controlling range and uses perhaps the widest and most unconventional punch variety of any HW in a long long time. Only throw 1-2's, you're delusional.

In any event i can tell that having any kind of real discussion is futile based on your complete inaccuracy about the Klitschko's abilities and styles.

That is all.

 

i have which is how ive based my assessments, i wouldnt even be on this thread if ive never seen the guys fight. my claims would hold no merit and no ground. im just not impressed with either klitschko

now have you seen holmes or lewis fight? because i can tell you right now that its nowhere near as polished or crisp as their jabs. holmes could double to triple up his jab while exectuing damn near unparalleled footwork. with wlad, you know when hes gonna jab. he moves around, waits a while, and when the time comes, he plants his feet and jabs. in short, he cant blend offense and defense together. you know when he's gonna be on the offensive and when he isn't. tyson who was one of the best fighters at closing the distance would exploit that weakness almost TOO easily.

the widest punch variety out of any heavyweight?? yeah your right, in comparison to the people he's fought lol. in the kevin johnson fight he did the same thing over and over again. back johnson to the ropes, throw a pawing jab, and throw a right hand. no left hooks, left uppercuts, no right hooks, no right uppercuts. because if he were REALLY capable of throwng punches beyond a one-two, he wouldve knocked kevin johnson out within five rounds. he was there to get hit by those type of punches, but vitalis limited punch variety lead kein johnson to avoid seventy-seven percent of the 1000 punches vitali threw.

innaccuracy you say? no, your just upset that ive stated facts. neither klitschko possess skills worth talking about and im probably one out of millions that think so as well. the klitschkos are the most beatable of any belt holder today, but its because of their less than stellar comp that they've been able to dominate.

 

Povetkin, Boystov, Virchis and Platov are not going far (top 3) Chambers is like Chris Byrd and he's not win belt either

 

actually boytsov has massive potential, his style in due time with more experience would present as a massive headache for either klitschko. a power puncher with fast hands is a nightmare for anyone. but as far as povetkin goes, i dont see him going far either. hes not that powerful plus his defense is a little shabby. i can see him losing badly to either klitschko.

 

Boystov is to small to be noteworthy. I was not impressive at all, he's win against Taras Bidenko. He takes to many shots..fortunately, bidenko is not heavy puncher

 

But you think Haye is? In comparison to Haye, Povetkin & Boytsov have as good a chance if not better.

Virchis & Platov aren't top tier like i said but would have a good shot vs Haye and head2head would match up better against some ppl than Haye would imo)

 

Meanwhile the rest of the world will continue to care about the divisions in boxing that are still actually relevant.

 

Against Haye, Boystov maybe do good job, because of Hayes bad chin. Against Klitchko's - no chance...Boystov is skilled, fast, hard puncher, but lacks size, thats why he give too big advantage to huge skilled dudes like Klitchkos

 

Lets not jump the gun with haye, hes done well but to say he will dominate like the klitschkos have is not realistic imo, at the moment at least. Like them or not the klitschkos have been very dominant and it looks like the only thing that will beat them is age, Vitali has definitely slowed down and could be in trouble in his next fight. However, amercan contenders have been hopeless recently, that safety pin guy was just embarrassing all round, what a waste of time that fight was. I dont think undeserving guys who have done nothing really should be given shots at heavy titles, it can just turn into a bit of a farce

 

lol You said he didn't have a heavy jab & it's certainly as heavy perhaps even more so. Volodymyr is also not flat footed like you're trying to make him out to be, it's actually suprising how light on his feet he is.

You're offense defense bernstein comment on Abraham charactorization of Klitschko isn't accurate either imo. A jab in general and certainly with Volodymyr is used as both offense and defense and he has very fast hands.

And using the Kevin Johnson fight in an attempt to summarize Vitali's style, right.

Lack of stellar compitition? Like Tyson's, perhaps that's why you're so greatly over estimating him, weird that you use that to knock the Klitschko's yet act like Tyson has Greb's resume.

You: Klitschko's jab suck and Tyson has no problem getting inside and working inside.

I know your argument you're just not going to convince me or any other unbias person that Tyson undoubtebly destroys the Klitschko's like you're attempting to claim. You're ridiculous

 

....Tyson Fury.....

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I mean, I gotta admit... That WAS pretty awesome...

 

I have a healthy respect for both Klits, and their abilities, but I think a prime Tyson does to them what he did to every other guy a prime Tyson faced, big or small.

 

i didnt say wlad was flat footed, i said vitali. wladimir is pretty light on his feet for a heavy that much i admit, but he doesn't work angles that well. wlad has been walked down many times and dropped simply because he doesnt know how to work angles very well. when hes hurt or on the backfoot, he moves backward or clinches. he's very predictable.

have you ever seen either klitschko throw a jab while in motion/on the back-foot?? have you ever seen either klitschko double or triple up on their jabs?? its not that i dont know what im talking about, your making the klitschkos out to be boxers that are nowhere near as good as your describing them as. your under this silly impression that the klitschkos are these immortal beings with flawless technique, when both have exploitable holes in their games. how do i know their exploitable? its because both of them have been beaten, duh:roll:

what about the johnson fight ive stated was wrong?? did vitali NOT land a mere 23% of the 1000 punches he threw? was vitali not able to capitalize on johnson despite of the fact johnson had a very amateurish, exploitable gameplan? elaborate for me please.

considering the type of fighters tyson has beaten, i would take it over vitali's any day. tyson has faced and beaten (convincingly mught i add) boxers with great movement, hard stiff jabs, athleticism, and were capable of throwng more than just a one-two. vitali has faced fat clubbers. when your most touted victory is over a fat glorified journeyman (peter), then it shouldnt come as much suprise to anyone that i would pick tysons resume over vitali's. and when your most touted victory is over a fighter that beat larry holmes twice and knocked him out in 90 seconds, then you should see why people would take tyson over vitali. its not rocket science, its just common sense.

i didnt say their jabs "suck", i just said they're overrated. and when guys that have nowhere near the head movement, speed, agility and power were able to get pass their jab and hurt them (purrity, sanders, brewster), what makes you think the ultimate pressure/inside fighter wouldnt do the same??

never said you had to believe me and quite frankly i wouldnt care if you did, im just stating facts. thats all