Eastern Europe and Britain will dominate the heavyweight divsion for the next ten yea

Tyson had trouble with good jabbers in Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis, and trouble finishing past theri prime big guys in Smith and Green.

Bowe also had trouble with jabs, see the Golota fights, or the Tubbs fight.

Neither Kltischko has a chance vs Tyson or Bowe? Dream on!

 

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neither klitschko possesses a jab tyson has never seen before, the only thing the klitschkos possess over tyson is size and thats just about it. both klits have a jab that is about as conventional as you can get, its neither an authoritative jab nor is it a really hard one. and apart from that, their footwork is mediocre. vitali pretty much stays in one spot while wlad only knows one direction: backward. both of them are pretty much cat-nip for a prime tyson. and if your gonna bring up buster douglas by all means go right ahead. i can tell you right than and there buster dougleas on that night (aside from tyson not being his usual self) looked more impressive than either klitschko had in their entire career. he had a rim-rod jab, a follow up right hand that was either a hook, a straight, or an uppercut. what is either klistchko capable of besides throwing a one-two? so im sorry my friend, your patriotism is clouding your judgment. neither klitschko would stand a chance agianst tyson, bowe or holyfield.

Lefthook isn;t one to give credit for eastern euro heavies in general. With a poster name like lefthook, you think he'd like Wlad's hook, but he thinks all they can do is 1-2.

 

I have no problem with someone saying that they think Tyson wins but when they make it out as if he was in a different class and Klitschko's would have no shot it's absurd.

Vitali looks ugly while doing it but his footwork is quite good.

Jab while in motion/backfoot - yes, especially Volodymyr.

Double triple jab - yes especially Volodymyr.

Exploitable flaws - of course, as does every fighter, Tyson included.

My point with the Johnson fight is that it is comparable to me using the Lewis Tyson fight to say that Tyson was flat footed and had no footwork, obviously not true of a prime Tyson.

I'm more than capable of being unbias and criticizing fighters that i am a fan of, you on the other hand seem to be exactly what you acccused me of...a nationalistic, bias, douchbag. Keep re-living those american glory days.

Agree but it idn't stop Maskaev from destroying Rahman twice.

Golota was really operating at 100%, right. he's a nutjob.

Ibragimov a journeyman, give me a break.

lol yes i realize that now, he's probably some old **** stuck in the cold war days and has the Rocky 4 storyline in his head anytime somebody with a Slavic or non-anglo sounding name appears.

That's life.

 

What you gotta think about is, what happens to Haye when he gets hit, what happens to Haye when a HW walks through his power or is able to take his best licks, then what ?

Fragomeni,Thompson and the Solis amateur fight are important things to think about imo. Thompon/Solis took his best and beat him down,Fragomeni gave him a hard tough fight and even though these fights were early in his career they must be taken seriously imo.

 

Really? Gomez won maybe one round before Vitali TKO'd him. Solis is overweight. Haye is hyped more than a Rocky movie, and those in the know understand he has a shanky chin, and suspect stamina.

This leaves Tyson Fury, and glass jawed Price.

Who are these Cuban and British fighters that are going to dominate heavyweight boxing????

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl Excellent line.

 

Perhaps.... Slavic people are very athletic.... Look at olympic medal tables, slavic competitors of sports, the worlds strongest man is slavic, the worlds best mma fighter is slavic, the worlds best heavyweight boxers are slavic.....

This isnt to say slavic people are some kind of super race, but it can be concluded that they are the most athletic of all the caucasions..... Every race has their faults though, and its not as if their race is pure. It is very mixed and varied. And slavic people supposedly originated from asia by migrating into europe 1500 or so years ago....

Anyway, there is no way of telling who will dominate heavyweight boxing in the future.... Boxing is too much of an international sport, and how good a fighter is depends more on the individual fighter than his ethnicitiy or race....

However, i cant help but sense an alteriror motive by the topic creator. Listen, dont try to take credit for other people of your race or ethnicities acomplisments... It has nothing to do with you! If you want somthing to make you feel better about yourself...DO IT YOURSELF :good

 

That was very clever.

I think you already know that Tyson, while still in his physical prime, was on a downward spiral at that point and his demise was inevitable. Douglass whooped Tyson's arse that nite, but Tyson would've destroyed Douglass probably as little as a year earlier. Buster was highly motivated that night(mother's recent passing if I remember right) and he was not going to be denied, all credit goes to him, but Tyson was getting to be ripe for the picking as well.
I like both Klits, they are the class of the HW division and have been for years, but that is equally as indicative of the current state of the HW's.
I'm not saying Tyson would destroy either Klit, but he would beat them IMO. Neither of them has ever seen anything like him in his prime ever in their careers.

 

Please spare us your "history"

Slavs are not "very mixed" as compared to other ethnic groups. The majority of Slavic nations (all Eastern & Western Slavic Nations and 2 Southern : Croatia, Slovenes) are rather homogonous. In some of the Balkans and some of Northern Russia there is more mixture but not among the majority of Nations.

Secondly the Slavic "Great Migration" theory is by no means definitive.


The amateurs, their programs and sucesses are one indicator and alot of Eastern European countries show no signs of slowing down, they're not short on talent.

 

who says us slavs are slowing down???? I have merely tried to be as objective as possible while stating facts about the slavic race....

And about being homogenus... Im not to sure about that

Ive met russians who looks like mongols, kazaks who look like russians or chinese, belarus who look slavic or mongol, ukrainians who look tatar or slavic, poles who look german......

**** the amatuers, the pro ranks are all that matter!!

And we dominate that...

I just didnt want to seem like some kind of racist... claiming we dominate everything!

However if you research the RA1 gene. We share alot with pashtun people, who live in iran and afghanistan, mainly in kryzikstan

I just put it this way because i beleive race and family history means **** in your life, it all depends on you, so i see ethnicity and famliy accomplisments as bull****, used by weak men, who have not done anything themselves!!!


and you know what??? I have never met more agressive people than slavs! There is always problems when groups of slavs hang out, because we can not act civalized and a fight always breaks out...

And i am not proud of that!!! Some people might think we are "cool" or "tough" but its a bunch of BS.

Thank god i live in america, were i dont need to deal with some putzan who thinks im disrespecting him by not giving him a cigarette!

 

Eastern Europe will dominate the heavyweight divsion for the next ten years.

Britain won't be anywhere near dominating it I'm afraid.

 

Well i disagree and think that where you come from, family, culture, heritage is important but thats just me.

Yes there has been some Tatar & Finn-Ugric mixing with Russians for example but claiming that it's widespread and that Slavic people are less homogonous than other ethnic groups is inaccurate imo based on what i'v read.

Ya i'v read about R1a Haplogroup and its distribution, origin and migration theories etc

Anyways this isn't really the forum for this kind of discussion. My only point was that the Gayemaker alone doesn't justify a "Britain will dominate the division" claim & that the excellent amateur programs indicate that there will continue to be a steady stream of talent into the future for Eastern Europe.

 

I dont know how simalar we are but i do know of 1 common trait!

1. we like to drink
2. we have good chins
3. we have good power
4. we like to fight when we drink a bit :yep

britain on the other hand, these days, has nothing but hype!!!

:good

 

Deontay Wilder:yep


He beat a lot of international amateur stars to medal in the Olympics when he had very little experience compared to his opponents. I suspect he's going to wreak havoc on the division in the near future.