Eddie Futch offers his list of favorites culled from 60-plus years.

Giachetti was garbage IMO. He was a Don King house trainer used to control fighters in Kings stable and consolidate billing. Not much more. If he didnt like Arcel (one of the most gentlemanly men in Boxing) then it probably says more about Giachetti than it does Arcel.

 

Futch was not a part of Holmes' 1990s comeback... By then it was Don Turner and Saoul Mamby... Holmes still had a good corner there...

NOW! I did question Holmes being trained by loudmouth Ritchie Giachetti off and on... Giachetti was such a screamer / cheerleader....

MR.BILLhat

 

Eddie Futch is talking about boxing ability when he gave Arguello the nod on it.
Others were quicker and faster, but technically speaking according to Futch's opinion, Arguello was the best boxer.
Does'nt suprise me in the least that Futch would say that.

Arguello was simply great. He'd have been a 4 weight division champion had it not been for Aaron Pryor and Panama Lewis going to cheating lenghths to beat him.

 

Do you think Arguello was on the way to winning before Pryor got the spike?

Do you think Arguello would have knocked Pryor out if he didn't get the spike?

 

Hell, no.... Pryor was ahead in the scoring by points after 13 rds with Arguello down in Florida... By then, Arguello had landed several wicked bombs on Pryor's chin to little effect... Pryor was not to be denied in 1982 or 1983....

However, Arguello of 1982 would've beaten my man Leroy Haley had Arguello opted to go after the WBC belt instead... Haley had outboxed Saoul Mamby over the summer of 1982 and was newly crowned by the WBC...

I always liked Leroy Haley... He got shafted 2 X by the judges in his title fights with Bruce Curry......

MR.BILL

 

There is'nt any doubt in my mind......

Two things....

Arguello was coming on late....

......and second, what alot of people dont know is that the HBO camera's actually caught Panama Lewis asking for the bottle he mixed earlier in the fight.

.....so it was'nt just before the start of the 14th that Pryor had drank from that bottle, the HBO cameras actually caught Pryor drinking from it on at least one other occasion earlier in the fight.

What I just said is just the facts......

.....who's to say Pryor did'nt also have his gloves loaded as Luis Resto described in that documentary of Panama plastering his handwraps???

No doubt about it in my mind. Arguello on that night would have stopped Pryor had it not been for his cheating tactics.

 

Pryor could take a ridiculous punch. I'd call your belief that Arguello takes him out highly speculative at best. If Arguello knocked him down 3 times Pryor still would have been up on points imo.

 

You dont get it Scientist. Pryor was given a mixture of pills that asthmatics take to help him breathe easier when winded.

Panama Lewis was feeding Pryor from that bottle at different points in the fight.

Whats got to be taken into account here is that the fight was fought at a blistering pace.

Both fighters were exherting tremendous ammounts of energy with the pace and the burst they were putting out.

Now if one of the fighters is being helped by medication to catch his wind, open his lungs to make him breathe easier,that is a monumental advantage that the fighter has over the other.

What I'm saying is that without Pryor cheating, the pace he forced in those early rounds would have caught up with him......
Arguello was doing alot better in the middle rounds, and he likely would have just took off from there and torn Pryor apart had Pryor not been getting fed a medicinal concoction so he could breathe.

It amazes me why people have'nt caught on on how that mix of crushed asthma pills in that bottle helped Pryor stay fresh and breathing throughout the fight.

It not just about the the incident involving the bottle between rounds 13 and 14.....its about Pryor being given from that bottle at different points in that fight.:-(

 

At what points in the fight was he given it?

I'm guessing that what he drank between rounds 13 and 14 had no effect whatsoever, because it takes a while for a pill to be absorbed into the blood stream. If he came on in round 14, it had nothing to do with what he drank between rounds 13 and 14. It may have had something to do with what he had taken prior though....

 

I thought I was the only Leroy Haley fan here.The "black Irishman" was one of the forgotten champions in boxing past.

 

Pryor was drinking from that bottle earlier in the fight thats for sure.....
......but according to Luis Resto in that documentary where he comes clean and tells the whole story.

I'm not so certain that Resto himself knew exactly what Panama mixed in that bottle (he described them as crushed asthma pills), but he admitted to being given a concoction from Panama inbetween rounds and he described it as "opening your lungs right up" when you were feeling winded.

According to Resto, the concoction had an immediate effect on him.


Then to boot Scientist, we have Emmanuel Steward in an interview stating that Pryor was worried prior to the rematch with Arguello, telling Steward that he had been getting by with shady practices while training with Panama Lewis.:-(

 

Who is KO Morgan?

 

It's true that Panama Lewis called for the bottle earlier in the fight. Very early as I recall. HBO showed this on film after the fight. I think the outcome of the fights is questionable. I think speculating what the outcome would be without the bottle is equally questionable. There's just a taint to one of the greatest fights ever.

 

http://books.google.com/books?id=aA...A#v=onepage&q=emory k.o. morgan boxer&f=false

all i could find doing a quick search. he apparently lost to jimmy bivins on bivins pro debut at welterweight.