Eddie Hearn confirms Joshua vs Usyk will have a rematch clause

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  1. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    A promoter doing what a promoter should be doing for his client. I don’t see an issue with this.
     
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  2. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I really will not care to watch this in real time if Usyk will sign one sided rematch clause in behalf to A.J .
    I might agree that only WBO belt had been on line for this fight for both of them but not about one sided clauses.

    I will not waste time to watch pro wrestling type fights in real time and guess what will happen here.

    I initially hoped that Usyk maybe is doing this cos pride and to prove something more, then he did not had cared, 1 m or 5 m or 10 m for fight vs A.J or more than 10m for sure.

    If he will sign one sided rematch clause, then looks that he just milk out his am credentials and pro credentials at CW.
    Not likely he might KO AJ in 2 fights in row for sure.

    So, I'm not interested to watch this online in real time.
    Will Usyk fall after 10 sec or this fight will end with a draw to sell rematch with better income, I will not care.
     
  3. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Eddie Hearn is pathetic lmao lets not forget that he failed to deliver :risas3:, he took years to negotiate with the Saudis, the truth is he never wanted to put his cash cow in the ring with the big gyppo because he knew Fury would retire him. Thats why he dragged on the negotiations so much, because he wanted Fury to be 2 years out the ring which gives the Bodybuilder his best chance at victory against the Gypsy lord.

    Now that Fury's active Aj will duck like he has all these years LOL
     
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  4. hobby rider

    hobby rider Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Zzzzzzz
     
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  5. Banana-Rama

    Banana-Rama Active Member Full Member

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    Some differences between yours and mine if you look closely :)
     
  6. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    Hearn probably has a rematch clause when he plays the kids at table tennis when on holiday .
     
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  7. OneShot

    OneShot New Member Full Member

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    Unfortunately it's in both fighters interest. If Usyk wins the first then he gets another big pay day. Biggest of his career.

    I wish they'd do away with rematch clauses and multi fight deals all together.
     
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  8. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    From realistic perspective if he agreed on clause, looks that he is concerned about money not belts etc nonsense.
    Usyk is enough smart to predict that he will not beat A.J in 2 fights. One fight, maybe.

    Good paycheck looks that interest him more than belts and possible his legacy at HW. ;)

    Sadly yeah, looks that Usyk had been too overrated here.
     
  9. MarvelousMarvinGolovkin

    MarvelousMarvinGolovkin Kownackis belly button lint Full Member

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    So basically: IF Usyk manages to catch AJ like Ruiz did, it's all okay, we'll just have a rematch that'll make even more money and run from him the whole fight with a jab and cruise to the decision
     
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  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You sound like Eddie Hearn. Here is why Eddie Hearn rematch clauses screw over the guy who scores the upset.

    When Buster Douglas upset Mike Tyson for all the titles in 1990 (31 years ago), Wikipedia or boxrec says Buster earned $1.3 million, but it was more like $850,000 (the biggest payday of Buster's career) according to the TV broadcast.

    Excellent money for any working fighter like Douglas. For any of us, even today.

    And Buster WON. Since there was no rematch clause, Buster was able to decide who he wanted to fight next, the #1 contender Holyfield or the former champ Tyson were the top two contenders.

    The Mirage casino owner Steve Wynn showed up and decided he wanted to promote and offered FAR MORE than Don King or Bob Arum or anyone else ... he offered Buster $24 million to defend against Holyfield (who was a bigger star by any measure than Buster before Tyson-Douglas, would receive $8 million).

    So, because Buster was able to review his options and take the best offer, his purse was roughly 24 times HIGHER for his first title defense. (Lawsuits by a dozen folks ended up leaving him with little, but you get the point.)

    That's what you call testing the market and offering your services to the highest bidder.

    Now, consider Andy Ruiz and Anthony Joshua.

    Andy Ruiz received $6 million to $7 million for the shot. Really big money for Ruiz. Life changing. And, Hearn said, if Ruiz wins, Andy would make more than he ever has in his life for a rematch with Joshua. (Well, the truth is, a dollar more than he made for the first fight would be more than Andy ever made in his life.)

    Ruiz wins.

    A Ruiz-Joshua II fight is now even bigger. A Saudi oil guy wants to pay a $40 million site fee just to have the fight there before any PPV is even figured in.

    But Andy signed a rematch clause which said, if he won, which no one expected he would, he was guaranteed $9 million to defend against Joshua. That's it. No more. No less.

    So Joshua and Hearn could capitalize on the bigger rematch, and reap all the proceeds from the site fee, but Ruiz couldn't. His purse was locked in.

    (Now Ruiz ended up threatening to go to court and raise a stink. And a U.S. court likely would've looked at Joshua getting close to $80 million as challenger and Ruiz getting $9 million as the champ and saying this 90-10 purse split in favor of the challenger doesn't look kosher, so Hearn upped Ruiz's purse to $13 million to avoid the bad PR.)

    But Ruiz was the ONLY person in the promotion who really didn't get to fully capitalize on Joshua-Ruiz II being a BIGGER and more profitable event ... and he's the guy who freaking won the first fight and was the champion defending the titles.

    That's NOT being able to offer your services to the highest bidder.

    That's what's called being locked in to a bad deal, where you fight a champ and win all his belts, and you end up making 10 percent of what the challenger is making in the rematch for what is now a much bigger fight than the first bout was.

    What people who sign these rematch clauses tend to overlook is when there is a rematch after a big upset, the REMATCH tends to draw more money. And, when you score a big upset and win all the belts, YOUR value goes up.

    YOU are the champ. YOU have all the titles. Others may want to come to you with bigger offers than the offer Eddie Hearn has you LOCKED into.

    That's why Usyk never should've signed the rematch clause.

    I looked up what Usyk made for the Cruiserweight unification tournament, and he didn't make much. His purse for the Gassiev final was only $400,000. His Briedis fight purse was $200,000. His purse for the Huck fight was only $75,000.

    So when you start offering him millions, I'm sure it seems like a lot (AND IS) for him.

    But, if he wins all the belts, and he has to make his first defense against Joshua, he shouldn't be locked into a set purse or a lower percentage than Joshua receives.

    As champ, he should be able to offer his services to the highest bidder, like HEARN DOES WITH JOSHUA.

    Hell, if he won the title, he should be able to fight anyone he wants ... whoever offers the most.

    Teofimo Lopez made a little over $1 million for the Lomachenko fight. Loma made more than double what Lopez did. When Lopez scored the upset and won, he was able to accept an offer for his first defense from the highest bidder and he was offered $6 million. That's more than he and Loma made combined for their first fight.

    If Hearn was promoting Loma and made Lopez sign a rematch clause, Lopez would have to fight Loma in an immediate return, and, if he treated him like he treated Ruiz, give Lopez less than $2 million at the most and Hearn and Loma would've been able to make more for a rematch that would likely be bigger as well.

    But Lopez was able to test the market and sell his services to the highest bidder.

    So, when Hearn throws out the line that if Usyk wins he'll make more than he ever has before to defend against Joshua, it's true in the sense that Usyk has made crap money previously.

    But it's not true in the sense that he'll be able to MAKE THE MOST he could as a defending heavyweight champion.
     
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  11. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ask Ruiz if he was happy with a rematch clause vs AJ?

    He will give you multi million reasons why he was.

    I have to no doubt a usyuk is happy with it as well when the earnings he can potemtially earn from two fights with AJ awards anything he will earn in boxing.
     
  12. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Whatever you say, Eddie. (LOL)

    And I have no doubt Andy Ruiz would've made more than $13 million defending three belts against Fury in the US in 2019 or unifying against Wilder at the end of 2019.

    But he was stuck making a couple million more than he did as an unranked challenger because the rematch clause prevented him from shopping around.

    Hell, Wilder and Fury BOTH made more than double for their rematch in early 2020 than Ruiz got for defending three belts against Joshua.

    Any contract that caps your earnings as champ but allows your challenger to capitalize on the buildup of the return bout and make five, six or seven times more than you is a BAD deal.

    No matter how you try to whitewash it.
     
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  13. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Isn’t Usyk also his client?
     
  14. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Eddie Hearn: The man whose heart is darker than a thousand midnights.
     
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  15. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes. LOL.
     
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