Eddie Hearn has confirmed that Anthony Joshua is considering fighting Deontay Wilder next.

Joshua lost AFTER Wilder declined to fight him. They signed to fight Miller instead and we all know what happened next. If Wilder signed, AJ would probably wait for him to do his mando fighting some stiffs instead.

I don't care for the fight in 2023. Two losers fighting for the third spot. We're talking about when the fight made most sense and didn't come in fruition because of Wilder and his camp.

Could be. But Wilder is to be blamed that the fight didn't happen in 2018-19.

 

Ah! I thought you mean Wilder, lol. I agree with your post btw.

 

The offer from DAZN said Wilder could fight his upcoming opponent Breazeale on DAZN, and fight Joshua after that. But Joshua didn't have any belts and wasn't going to fight Wilder coming off a loss to Ruiz.

Joshua got knocked out in 2019. He didn't even have a belt after May. The fight was never going to happen in 2019. That was six years ago.

If you can't wrap your mind around that at this point, that's on you.

 

Joshua lost all his belts to a late sub on June 1, 2019. The fight ceased to be a battle of unbeatens at that point.

That's on Joshua. Wilder beat all his late subs. Wilder couldn't win Joshua's fights for him, too.

 

Oh god no... If you looked at Wilders resume on paper, without knowing who it was or whether any belts were held, you'd probably conclude that he was a fringe contenders at absolute best - he isn't even top 5 on resume.

 

I wouldn't say "knocked out" - it's an official TKO and in reality more of a quit.

Not that it's any better, but if we want to be factual.

Other than that, you're not wrong... The only thing I would really add is that there's certainly no guarantee that (if Joshua hadn't lost that fight) Wilder would've stepped up at that point - whether it was a kybosh or a convenient excuse is up for debate, but it's beyond the facts.

 

I kinda agree with both sides of the argument here.

AJ was pushing harder for the fight, but he ultimately lost and scuppered any chance.

Had he not lost, the fight would probably have come off at some point.

 

So.

Eddie Hearn has confirmed now, at least, that Anthony Joshua thinks about things.

Cool.

 

Wilder rejected the offer before AJ lost. That's the main point. If Wilder accepted the deal, AJ might have not lost, we don't know how his career would have progressed. He might have waited for Wilder until November. Might have fight a stiff in a meanwhile, not contract the fight with Miller. It's all coming down to Wilder didn't sign the genuine contract = he didn't want to fight AJ.

 

Considering where both men are it’s about a good a fight either could make. Win and your back in the mix (to the wonga paying casuals) or lose and you get a heap of money anyway.

 

We were talking about this for years before you ever joined.

Joshua signed to defend against Miller and Wilder signed to fight Breazeale before any DAZN offer was declined. They were both fighting others first.

Joshua held a press conference announcing he was fighting Miller in February. Wilder turned down the DAZN offer in March.

And Joshua did fight a stiff. He fought an obese late sub who had just recently been dumped by Top Rank for being a failure who wouldn't train over the first decade of his career.

Still, Joshua got stopped. That's why it was one of the biggest upsets in heavyweight history. That's why Wilder-Joshua was never going to happen that year for all the belts. Because Joshua lost all his.

A fight between Wilder and Joshua at that point wouldn't have even been for who was third best, because Joshua wasn't even considered third best back then.

He was ranked behind Wilder, Fury and Ruiz at that point.

That's why Wilder and Fury II was officially for the Ring Championship. Wilder and Fury were the clear top two.

Everyone accepted that.

(Except, apparently, we still have a few stragglers hanging on to one quote made seven years ago and pretending everything after that didn't happen.)

It's a tired argument. Both guys were going to have a "fight first" in 2019. Joshua lost his "fight first."

They didn't fight and unify in 2019 because Joshua didn't have any belts for most of that year. He lost them all.

You can't unify with a guy who has no belts and quit in his last fight.

 

I think a strong AJ would cause issues, like ngannoue did due to his size and fury being unable to use his weight.

 

AJ went to America to build his profile in USA.
Knowing how boxing works, he would have 1 or 2 fights in America then the Wilder fight would potentially happen. It wouldn’t before due to promotion procedure/building the fight.

Unfortunately AJ lost his first, last and only fight in USA.
Then there was a rebuild process…

Publicity stunt offers or negotiations on social media are not usually sincere

 

AJ had already signed to fight miller, which ended up being a Ruiz ko.

No matter which way you spin it, it’s not wilders fault AJ lost to Ruiz. You’re trying too hard now.