Eddy Reynoso and Virgil Hunter. 2 sides of the same coin

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chad Dawson went to 168 on his own. Ward didn't make him do anything. Chad Dawson whoops Billy Joe, Smith and Plant. And who cares if Calzaghe beat Kessler first. Kessler was still game. He wasn't past his prime. Carl Frotch himself unironically has a better record than Canelo at 168.

    GGG is not a 168 pounder, was never a top guy at 168, and at this point He's middle aged and slow so no, Ward has the better resume at 168
     
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  2. iceferg

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    Regardless of whether he was made to or not he was still a skeleton. I remember there was loads of rumours before the fight he was massively struggling to make weight and got knocked out by Edison Miranda in sparring.

    Caleb Plant and Billy Joe Saunders would both beat Chad Dawson now and they would both beat the version Ward faced. Would they beat a prime LHW Dawson? No they'd barely win a round between the pair of them and/or possibly get stopped too but don't big up that win for Ward proper boxing people know it's tainted.
     
  3. iceferg

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    Carl Froch arguably has a better record than Ward at 168lbs though just because he lost a points decision in Ward's turf. Ward was gassed at the end of that fight too. He won first 9 but then he was done.

    End of Ward blatantly lost to Kovalev first time second has a big asterisk over it. Canelo beat Kovalev who was still a champion and won all 4 belts at SMW. He has at least an equal resume with Ward 168+ and then he's got all his achievements at 160 and 154. Ward was massively over rated.
     
  4. iceferg

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    You don't think Ward would get destroyed by Bivol like? There's a reason he retired after fighting the alcoholic Kovalev because he knew he couldn't beat the likes of Bivol and Beterbiev even Froch said this about Ward.

    For the record as well Trout and Lara didn't beat Canelo and they didn't deserve to either, Mayweather's a different class to Ward and all these 3 fights you mentioned were fights in a completely different phase of Canelo's career he's improved a lot since. Did Golovkin beat Canelo yes but Trout and Lara didn't and power was a factor in why Lara didn't was because his punches weren't effecting Canelo enough to deter him so he got walked down and outworked.

    Ward doesn't have the engine to work at the pace Bivol did and he wouldn't get away with his incessant fowling against Canelo which is a massive part of his game.

    I really hope they get Ward out of retirement for this because it would really prove a point.
     
  5. iceferg

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    Another thing I might add is that Callum Smith was a respectable champ who won the S6 himself, dealt with Groves easier than Froch did and I think a factor in Canelo winning that so easily was that Smith was weight drained. I bet you now Smith goes on a decent run at lhw. The level that Smith was drained vs how Dawson was vs Ward doesn't compare though.
     
  6. MarkusFlorez99

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    Excuses excuses excuses. Dawson challenged Ward at 168. He never complained about having trouble making weight and neither did his team until after the fight, then when Dawson got his ass schooled he made the weight drained excuse. Bet you he wouldn't have said sh*t if he won. Dawson even claimed he wanted to partake in the super 6 tournament and planned on fighting at 168 because there was more competition anyway

    The only reason you say Billy Joe and Caleb Plant beat Dawson at 168 is because Ward whooped his ass.
     
  7. MarkusFlorez99

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    Lol Groves was well past his prime coming off several injuries and bad performances.

    Guess who also beat George Groves, and a much better version at that ? Carl Frotch.

    Mikkel Kessler tops any of Canelos wins at 168 as well. The likes of Billy Joe Saunders, and Plant are less than or equal to Wards wins over the following prime fighters, Sakio Bika and Arthur Abraham
     
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  8. MarkusFlorez99

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    Who the F*ck cares Ward won wide.
    So wait just a minute. Kovalev was alcoholic against Ward but an excellent win for Canelo even though he was older, more lethargic, and KO'd even after losing to Ward before he fought Canelo ?

    Bias.
     
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  9. iceferg

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    He did in the build I remember him asking for a catchweight before it.
     
  10. iceferg

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    He was well past it vs both of them. I never said he wasn't past it vs Canelo course he was but he didn't beat Canelo like he beat Ward did he? and it was well documented he was having drink problems in the build up to the rematch.

    All I said was he still had WBO trinket when Canelo beat him and Ward's win shouldn't stand he was losing the fight then he low blowed him. How can that even be classed as a win? He blatantly list the first fight too.
     
  11. iceferg

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    Just shows how slow you are saying guess who else beat Groves when I already acknowledged Froch did but Smith did it in better fashion. All 3 of the champions mentioned are better wins than Chad Dawson. That literally is how paper thin Ward's resume.
     
  12. MarkusFlorez99

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    Guess it shows how slow you are not acknowledging that Groves was well past his prume and finished when he fought Smith.
     
  13. MarkusFlorez99

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    He was even more past it for Canelo. Significantly more past it for Canelo. But the reality is this doesn’t matter because i said LHW was debatable in the resume department because Ward fouled Kovalev. However 168 is not up for debate. You have to be going through the wildest of mental gymnastics to make the argument that Canelo has a better resume at 168
     
  14. iceferg

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    You're the one chalking Chad Dawson off as a great win then saying I'm going through mental gymnastics lol.
     
  15. MarkusFlorez99

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    Great ? Maybe not. Better than Smith, Plant and Saunders ? Yes, especially considering how clinically dominating Ward was