Let me correct you, he decisioned a weight drained, very ill non-top 10 SMW who had severe, almost deadly colon problems and got KD'd in the process and COULDN'T put the guy away!:yep Then he got KTFO by Pavlik, then he jumped to SMW and struggled with Porras and lost 2 rounds, count 'em 2 rounds to the vicious C- level David Banks.:yep Damn, impressive, what do beating Bika and Berrio in successive fights mean? Obviously nothing!
Hater. Miranda is great for this sport and has fought the best. He beat the living **** out of Abraham, like it or not. He has one loss to the undefeated, undisputed MW champ. Hater hater hater!
Hmmm...no, Miranda does NOT have a better record at 168 than Bute...no!:blood I hope you're kidding!:blood
Miranda is a hater - he hates better fighters who are too busy to bother with him or give him the payday he craves.:deal
Bute has ZERO respect in USA. At least Pascal had the balls to fight Miranda. When and IF Bute actually fights a top 168lbs fighter he will get his ass handed to him. But he will hide in his little protective shell and fight bum after bum. Sure, he will make money and that is partially what it is all bout, but he will NEVER get respect.
He fought the best at MW, which has NOTHING to do with the best at SMW, a crop greatly more enriched with talent and skill.:yep Yeah, couldn't put away a half dead man and still lost the ****ing fight cleanly. Abraham KO's him in a rematch. He has two losses, one to Abraham and one to Pavlik. Both B level fighters on the P4P scale that we use to assess fighters regardless of weight division. Kessler is an A level fighter, Bute is a B+ level fighter, as is Mundine and several others at SMW. Do the math Pantera, it means your B- guy gets crushed. You started it all, you parade around like you know anything about one of the best divisions in boxing and you don't realise just how deep of **** your Miranda is in when he steps in with a top 10 SMW.:yep
Say what you want, but if you rather watch a joke like Bute NOT want the best and fight bums, then watch that bull****. I want to watch a guy willing to fight ANYONE, ANYWHERE and fight till the death. That is why the public and HBO LOVES Pantera. Go watch and support your poor excuses for fighters like Bute. atsch
atsch Probably feels he can outbox the sloppy, crude Miranda, don't blame him, wouldn't be surprised if he did. But sorry, Pascal's not a top 10 SMW, not even close. Already fought a top 10 in Bika and a top 7 in Berrio, won both fights, wrong again Pantera. But that statement directly applies to Miranda, he'll definitely get his ass whopped if he steps in with a top 10 SMW. Little guy, he's already beaten better fighters than Pantera has, what the **** is your point and problem. He's about to face the winner of Andrade/Stieglitz, the winner of that will be a top 5 SMW, both of those guys would easily beat Miranda.
Not a fan of Bute, but I'm also sticking up for him over a disgrace like Edison Miranda. And you think he's fought bums? Do you ANYTHING about the SMW division at all?atsch A guy with his low level of talent has to do what he has to do, haven't seen Pantera on HBO lately, I've seen him on FNF's though, where he belongs.:yep I tend to prefer ring geniuses like Joe Calzaghe and Cristian Mijares...
Look...Bute fought two Top 10 SMWs - Bika and Berrio. And he beat them. He beat them clearly. Whether you respect that or not is irrelevant. But he doesn't call out anyone or calls them names. In fact, he says he has much to learn before he's ready for the best. That is respectable. What Miranda does is not respectable. He calls his betters names, when he is unproven himself. This is why, even though he is "better known, more exciting and more loved than Bute in America", he is a joker!:hi:
No...but I am allowed to knock him for his derogatory comments; hype is hype, but you need to have some respect, particularly when you've been as lucky as Miranda (US network support and cash) and when you're still unproven at 168.
Wow... Berrio is a tough guy. Did you seem to forget he got KO'd by....... who??? Oh yea. PORRAS!! :yep :hi: And you have the balls to call him a top 10 SMW.... atsch
Miranda is C level really, it's only his power that bails him out Anybody that is strong enough to get him on the backfoot (virtually anybody decent at SMW) takes that power away from him, and he is left with nothing He'll get KTFO by Kessler, Bute, Froch and Mundine and would probably lose to the second stringers like Berrio, Andrade and co