Educate me: Cleveland “BigCat” Williams

No.

Whether a fighter is considered experienced or not at a particular point in their career is subjective.

Holyfield demonstrably did not fight Tunney. In fact, his debut was over half a century after Tunney retired.

 

It's not the 1st time that he's inexplicably conflated Toney w/ Tunney either.

 

Gene Toney is my Gran's favorite fighter

 

At least he corrected himself that time, now he's doubling down.

 

If you combined the two you'd probably have one of the greatest fighters of all time, so your grandma's in the right here.

 

He'd be more than a match for Aspartame Ray Greb

 

Has anyone ever doubted that Berbick was "a real HW"?

I never said Toney was "the first," I said he was the only fighter from that point until the end of Holy's career that dropped or stopped him.

But if you want to reach back to the Bowe fights as a metric for judging Holy's chin @the time he fought Toney, let's talk about how well it held up under Lewis, Tyson's, & Rahman's punches.

Most people who actually watched that fight thought he did beat Valuev.

Regardless, Holy's chin held up perfectly fine vs. a fighter that outweighed him by 100 lbs, which completely undermines your claim that he Holy "couldn't take punches anymore" @ the time he fought Toney years earlier.

Rahman & Oquendo.

& in many people's opinions, Valuev as well.

 

Yes it is because this is post about Williams not Tunney or Toney.

But fought Toney and my point is valid, so unless you have valid argument which you eon't have, don't try to win an argument with trying to find mistakes in my sentences.

 

It is because you all wanna argue me because you're diehard Liston fans trying to prove he fought someone good with overhyping Williams but not wanna argue stupid Swag that said he was green with 34 pro fights because he doesn't like that his hero lost against LHW with weak chin.

 

You got me. The reason I corrected you, stating that Evander Holyfield didn't fight Gene Tunney, is because I'm a die hard Sonny Liston fan.

 

To defeat his enemies, he imagines them all as Sonny Liston, which unbeknownst to him, makes all his fights harder.

 

Lol