Educate me: Cleveland “BigCat” Williams

Still Satterfield beat him like a drum.

Yeah but Satterfield was natural LhW LaMotta was WW/MW.

Chuvalo was past his best too, stop making excuses.

Ron Lyle didn't even reached his prime when he was as much injured as Williams but no one made excuses for him.

 

Because your hero Liston isn't unbeatable as everyone is making him.
Overrated based on what he could do but not on what he did, he never beat 200 plus pounds good fighter and was never tested against good opponent.

Hi shiet himself in two biggest fights of his life and lost against LHW who was contender.

 

He's like that with a lot of fighters. Can't remember which thread it was on, but he said something about Holmes being leagues better than Lewis because he beat Mercer in his old age while Lennox struggled with him- Nevermind the fact that each version of Ray from both fights were COMPLETELY different.

 

Satterfield was 22 years old when he fought Lamotta,Bob had fought just16 fights,Lamotta 72.
Lamotta never fought as a welter and turned pro weighing 169lbs,today he would be a super middle.
Williams injuries from his wound are well documented.

According to the police report Williams resisted arrest, and the officer's .357 magnum revolver went off during an ensuing struggle, hitting Williams in the stomach and lodging in his right hip. Williams underwent four operations over the subsequent seven months to address injuries to his colon and right kidney. The right kidney ultimately had to be removed in June 1965. Doctors could not extract the bullet, which had broken his right hip joint and caused partial paralysis of some of the hip's muscles, over 10 feet (3.0 m) of his small intestine had to be removed, and nerve damage affected his left leg above the knee and caused it to atrophy as a result.

What comparable injuries did Lyle sustain?
It's not so much you are totally ignorant about the sport,it's that you think you are well informed!

I've had this conversation with you at least twice already,but you are just too thick to educate yourself,
Everyone on here accepts you are arrogantly stupid, and too stupid to even know it!

 

LaMotta would be the smallest SMW, he was not a big man.
Can you Imagine Spinks losing to Hagler?
I don't think so.

Lyle was stabbed to death in prison, died twice on the table and he was just a youngster unlike Wolliams who atleast reached his prime.

Lyle never had the chance to reach his full prime because prison injury and later died in his late years because injuries he sustained in prison.

 

Because Holmes is leagues better, he could compete with Lennox even at that age, what do you think 45 yrs old Lennox could do with prime Holmes?

 

Because the hype and because you're the fan?

Yeah more excuses, you don't want to admit that Ali beat his arse and he would do it even better in their second bout.

Cleveland who?
Who he beat good except losing against LHW Bob Satterfield and bum Miteff?

 

His longevity has no bearing and no negative affect on Lewis or his career. The same applies to your question, as Lennox obviously didn't fight past his 30s, and you could apply this principle to nigh any Heavyweight boxer to live when put next to Holmes. What Holmes and Foreman did past their own respective primes are both insanely impressive, as well as outliers- You wouldn't ask the same question of Ali, would you? "Larry is better than Muhammad because Holmes would've been competitive with Ali's prime while he was an old man." It's just dumb.

 

It's just becaue Ali CTE problem, if he hadn't that he would be bery competitive next 2-3 years after he retired.

 

Whatever you say, BF.

 

Lamotta was a middle /light heavyweight his entire career and when he beat the green 22years old Satterfield he was the heavier man.
There is neither profit or pleasure talking to you,I get more sense out of my Dog.

 

Which feats?
Marshall or Martin?

I don't care what you think, ali beat him in their first bout and would beat him again, Liston just quit.

Nope, just Liston fanboys and paroles don't eant me here because they claim he's unbeatable except Ali which is crazy to state.

 

LaMotta like Duran could get heavy but doesn't mean that Duran who walked 200lb is a SMW or LHW.