Educate me on Sam Langford

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  1. closedguard

    closedguard Active Member Full Member

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    What was Langford style bobbing and weaving or shell?
     
  2. Cmoyle

    Cmoyle Active Member Full Member

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    Thanks Burt & McGrain, I appreciate that. Hopefully, you'll like the biography about Tony Zale as well. It should be out sometime before year-end. We're almost ready to ask the printer to produce some proofs. My father has read all three books and told me he thought the Zale book was the best yet.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I never trust literary reviews from family members :D

    Having said that, Zale will probably make it onto Santa's list in Chez McGrain!
     
  4. Cmoyle

    Cmoyle Active Member Full Member

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    "I never trust literary reviews from family members"

    Touche! He's one of the only family members I can actually get to read any of them. But, maybe Zale will be an exception because it has about four times as many photos as the Langford book. Most of my family members are probably better with pictures.
     
  5. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Clay, cannot wait to get the book on Tony Zale you just finished. If any fighter of note
    deserved to have a book to be written by an author such as you, it is the well
    neglected "Man of Steel ", Tony Zale. I never saw Zale in action, but I did see three of
    Zale's opponents ringside, Marcel Cerdan, Georgie Abrams, and Rocky Graziano whom Zale
    absolutely ruined ...I have always thought of Zale as a later edition of Polish
    fighting middleweights along with Stanley Ketchel and Billy Papke. None tougher than this trio...
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Now I have often wondered about that.

    Tate has some pretty darn good results on paper. The pinnacle of his career is splitting a series with Harry Wills, while the latter was considered to be the outstanding contender over a significant period. Had the Ring Magazine rankings existed, it seems inescapable that wills would have been the #1 going into that series, and Tate would have been at least the #2 after that series.

    Perhaps Tate was much more than he was given credit for at the time?
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  7. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mc, Darn right !. Clay is some kind of boxing author for dang sure...
     
  8. newby johnson

    newby johnson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So how the heck does a guy who's 5 ft 6 1⁄2 and weighed 185 lbs KO heavyweights? Roughly what size was an average heavy in those days.
     
  9. Flea Man

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    Marciano was also around 185lbs. Louis was under 200lbs at his best. Henry Cooper weighed 190 or less when he dropped Ali. It's not that strange an occurence.
     
  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  11. newby johnson

    newby johnson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So that's sort of what the average heavy weighed in those days (obviously, by "those days" we're covering quite a stretch between Langford and Ali), the 185-sub 200 range?
     
  12. Flea Man

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    Not exclusively. James J. Jeffries averaged out between 215-220lbs in his prime.

    Harry Wills, who Langford beat, usually weighed anywhere between 203-215lbs.
     
  13. Flea Man

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    As you know, only textbook boxers can be successful in the modern age.

    Guys like Ricardo Mayorga, Samuel Peter, Carl Froch, Giovanni Segura, Marcos Maidana, Ruslan Provodnikov, Vic Darchinyan, Joe Calzaghe, Marco Huck, these guys are all super athletic, quick, and throw perfectly formed punches and move about the ring just as Floyd Mayweather does.
     
  14. Flea Man

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    Footage is very good concerning Langford, so I dispute your claim with comfort.

    How about you indulge in some auto-erotic asphyxiation when no one else is home?