Educating Fools: Lomachenko Did Not Duck Rigondeaux!

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  1. Earfquake

    Earfquake Member banned Full Member

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    Idiotic. Ive made it clear in a couple of Loma/Marriaga threads that I have no problem with that fight. Im realistic and I dont expect Loma in there with worldbeaters every time out. Thats just not realistic or expected of anyone. Its a decent stay busy fight.

    I read what he wrote. It doesnt make a ton of sense to me. But its not absurd so I cant bash him for it.
     
  2. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Exactly, it shows how disgusting the agenda is on the Loma haters (they do hate Loma, they have to respect his skills but they criticise him in extremist ways).
    Rigo has been fighting unranked bums, one after the other for the past 4 years AND IS NO LONGER IN MY P4P LIST.

    Edit: People say he's too small for 122? Well why isn't he fighting the best at 118 for the past 8 years either? He could easily fight in both weight classes.

    Yet Loma is expected to take fights in 126, 130 and 135 simultaneously or else be criticised.
     
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  3. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    What's idiotic?

    I said people, not just Shockmaster.
     
  4. Earfquake

    Earfquake Member banned Full Member

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    Well I have no problem with Lomas fight. But lets just put it this way. Pay Rigo a million dollars for a risky fight. Or pay Marriaga peanuts and keep it in house? Tough call for Bob "IN HOUSE" Arum.
     
  5. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    No, it's...make a fight with Marriaga who will actually take the fight in short notice and prepare vs go to a time waster who didn't want Loma at 126, thought this fight is worth millions and expect him to really follow through with a fight at 130....
    all with 4 weeks till the fight, and additionally leaving Loma having to spend more time in these crucial weeks making 126...Nah.

    Marriaga is a good fighter, time to take that W and chase bigger, badder men at 130 and 135. This shitstorm only happened because Salido pulled some Rigo-esque antics and ran away.
     
  6. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    If you think Rigo was serious about fighting at 130 you must be out of your damn mind.

    The guy spends half his life crying about how small he is and how he doesn't cut any weight as it is - which for me seems unlikely considering how many great match ups could be made at the weights he should be able to make easily.
     
  7. slender4

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    Arum doesn't want the fight, it's as simple as that. He's not going to do Morales - Raheem again. He doesn't want Crrawford, and he doesn't seem to want Salido II either.
     
  8. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Stop lying. Even Lomachenko says Rigondeaux accepted the weight and everything for the fight, back when Lomachenko was still a featherweight. The hold up was Bob Arum, only offering Rigondeaux like 400 or 500K. From the horses own mouth, Lomachenko, and his manager, on youtube.
     
  9. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Yes, that's the point I'm trying to make! Rigo accepted everything, but Arum offered Rigo $500k where winner takes the extra $500k...a deal bettered by the original one Rigo was proposing - right from the horses mouth.
    Rigo agreed to the money, and then he bounced out saying the fight is worth MILLIONS...erm, sure buddy. Rigo doesn't get purses that high, anyway. It would've been red panty night for him.

    Edit: The very last of all of these negotiations was not money, but WEIGHT. Rigo wanted the fight at 124 knowing that Loma categorically made clear he will not make 124. The very fact that Rigo championed the idea of fighting at 124 after the deal broke down is just a desperate attempt to save face.
     
  10. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Rigondeaux wasn't asking for reasonable money, he was asking for unreasonable money with Rigo's end stating this fight is worth millions..
    Rigo said $1.5m isn't enough :lol: yes, you heard it right. He knows full well an unknown Loma of 2015 and a 'sleeping pill' in Rigo isn't going to produce that kind of money. The stuff that goes on in Rigo's head..lol
    https://www.boxingnewsresults.com/2015/11/1273/
     
  11. hoopsman

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    Arum did what he could to make Salido II, but Siri spurned $720K and an August 5 date. Honestly, I think the date rather than the prospect of fighting the Ukrainian spooked Salido (as in he may not have thought he could make 130lbs comfortably in that time frame). Indeed his flirtations with Linares at 135 support this thesis.

    The stick Lomachenko continues to receive for his choice of opponents is rather baffling. He's fought five-- and beaten four--current or former champions in his first nine fights. Think about that. More than HALF of his fights have been against current or former champions.
     
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  12. SOUTHERMOST

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    So you want fighters at 122 and 126 to fight Loma what about him taking a 135 Mickey who has been calling him. Loma fighting Rigo is similar to him fighting Crawford. Be more balance on your analysis encouraging Marriaga to take a lost for money at 130.
     
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  13. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    If Chenkko was your average titleholder, you would be right, impressive resume, but he is THE GREATEST AMATEUR OF ALL TIME. You don't expect good, you expect great, and if he wants those purses and that acclaim he has to deliver. Think about it another way; Lomachenko has done all this in 9 fights, but he's been a pro for almost 4 years now, and is pushing 30 years old.

    By his second year in the ring, Mayweather fought Genaro Hernandez and Manfriedy, Ali won the heavyweight title at 21, and Sugar Ray Leonard won the title against a hall-of-famer after 2 1/2 years, and fought Duran after his third year was up. The guy Leonard beat for title, Benitez won the title at SEVENTEEN years old. And these guys didn't have WSB to get used to the pros.
     
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  14. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    That's NOT a good argument. Zhou Shiming is one of the GOATS himself but he has elements of his style that is more suited to the 3 round, amateur pointscoring method. Lomachenko also has aspects to his game that was perfected for that construct. We saw the flaws in Vasyl when his pacing strategy was off and his understanding of pro point scoring and preperation for dirty tactics, were all off. Under those circumstances, this GOAT couldn't get past Salido, made Russell Jr more competitive than it should've been, IMO dropped the first two rounds against Gamalier Rodriguez fromw hat I remembered, and looked whatever vs Ramirez.
    WSB = amateur rules with 2 extra rounds, against amateurs. That's it. That's hardly pro in all truth.

    You're talking about the ages of other greats, but not a single one was out there acheiving GOAT status under the different arm of boxing (pros were knocked out left right and centre when they entered the Olympics 2016). The same people that appeal to 'age' are also saying Gervonta is not ready for Lomachenko even though Loma's had 9 fights and Gervonta has a belt so should either fight the best or vacate.

    We've all wanted Loma to fight the best and it must start with not lowballing opponents at very least. The TR pay structure is frustrating.
     
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  15. dinovelvet

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    Why didn't Lomas team offer the 750 K to Rigo?
     
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