Edwin Valero should've been disqualified

Really? You have Gam already as a "A" class fighter considering he has only one name on his resume and doesn't have any kind regional, continental or world title? Not to mention his step up he did only decently.:think

Comparing a World Champion (Former) who has longevitiy and title defenses against a Highly touted Green pro in Gamboa is like apples and oranges....the only reason Gam is a "B+" level fighter is b/c he is so talented...but his pro skills have been exposed...meaning he needs some more experience to shake that AM style, he is young enough and talented enough to do so but calling out names like PAC or JMM like he has is very premature....just like his "A" class rating.:rofl Man Get outa here with that bull ****.

 

Read my criteria, talent can play into it, and in his case does. Also, I wasn't stating straight out that he was A class, I was laughing at your placing of Mosquera.

Here's the problem, you're acting as if he was ever elite or even close at any point, or defeated any name opponents defending his belt. He never did, he was never a truly top fighter, therefore never really A level, just as a champion like Gatti was never A level, as you saw what happened when he faced those types of fighters.

He's been exposed? He's won every round of his pro career outside of the one where he was KD'd(didn't even hit his ass or show any signs of being hurt) against a solid fighter in Jiminez, and has dominated every opponent, failing to stop only Jiminez and his first opponent in a 4 rounder. Valero has a whole hell of a lot more to expose than Gamboa, and it will be shown soon enough, when he faces a real top level fighter.

 

THere are PLENTY of "A" level fighters that don't have exposure. Vincente is a very good fighter. He has a very solid resume. He has solid skills. That fight with Ed V was a TREMENDOUS Step up in Comp. Vincente is a WAAAAAY stiffer challenge than a Darling Jiminez.

Joe C wasn't considered ELITE b/c of his lack of exposure...he had some decent names on his resume but NO real names, but he was a legit ELITE level fighter....the verdict was just "out" on a final decision b/c of his "Lack" of big name opponents.

My point is Ed with out his "BIG NAMED" opponents still has proven to be a very solid and legit fighter.....Vincente through his career has faced very solid fighters with good international experience and he is a World Class fighter...he can compete with the best even though he would probably loose to the Top fighters of his division.

Gatti was an "A" level fighter.....he was never ELITE! He could beat guys like Ivan Robinson (& Loose), Dorin, Hutchinson, Millet, Manfredy ect....all those guys were at one point A level fighters and Gatti was good enough to hold a title, defend it and beat those guys.

Gam has been exposed.!!..Yea he's won every round....look at his competition! But his Ameture style is still lingering in the pro ranks. He'd get murdered against Top Level comp with that style. He shows flashes of greatness even at this early stage in his career, but "Flashes" won't be consistant enough to over come a true champion or top level fighter.

Edwin could loose against a true Elite level guy, but given his grit and preformance in the past he will always be dangerous and he will always give a tough fight to anyone. But at this point GAMBOA gets his ass KO'd if a fight between Valero and Gamboa were to be made tomorrow.

 

He really isn't. On paper sure, as he has a title to his name, but not in reality, as he's a pretty crude fighter himself, without the technical skills and timing of a guy like Jiminez. Gamboa would've taken him out easier than he did Darling.

Again, I've said a fighter can be elite or A level based on talent and overall ability. You're telling me nothing new here.

I am not impressed by either fighter, so I'd have to see Valero take on a truly skilled fighter to really give him a second thought, not another banger who matches up well with him. As it stands, I see him getting exposed by such a fighter.

Well, once again, our definition of A level is different. Not a single one of those guys was ever A level in my book. Gatti was not an elite fighter, and in my mind, that is what being a truly A level fighter is. Gatti was an accomplished B fighter at his best.

Perhaps not right now, but it's more his ego than his style that is his main flaw right now. While he does imply more of an amateur style, it makes him extremely hard to Decision considering his incredible speed, stamina, and strength. But, his hands-down approach will lead to him getting tagged upmore in the pros. Something he still has to learn, and has a lot of time to do so. As it stands, he's a handful for anyone, and would destroy the guys you've mentioned. In the future, given that he corrects his very simple flaw, he should be a superstar.

I simply don't see that as plausible. Gamboa is a better fighter in literal terms than a guy like Mosquera, anyone who has seen them fight can see that. You can talk down Gamboa's stance and ego all you want, but in reality he's less technically flawed than guys like Valero and Mosquera, and far more physically gifted and skilled.

 

Nah man.....You don't give Vincente enough props and it's understandable. Most boxing fans don't have an accurate perception of fighters they dont see and you aren't the only one, but Mosquera is a very solid fighter and tough to beat.

Darling wouldn't have done **** agaisnt Mosquera. Darling's is a good fighter but he's not on Valero's level or Mosquera, but he is solid himself. For Gam to beat a guy like Vincente he'd have to imporve a lot. Which he can b/c he is very talented but Rome wasn't built in a day. But "taking him out".....not happening. At least not right now.

Gam isn't going to be hard to decsion at all....he leaves himself open far too often....an "A" level guy would expose that in his young career. When Gam steps up in comp he'll be in for a rude awakening unless he is brought a long in a intelligent way. But his handelers are trying to move him wAAAY to fast.

I'm not talking down Gam's Skills or Ego. I could care less who he is outside the ring. I just care about how he fights in the ring. And in the ring he has MANY flaws....on the same token he shows signs of greatness.....but so did David Ried, Fransico Bajodo and a **** load of other very talented and highly touted prospects which is what Gamboa is.

Just b/c Gam has a good pedigree and great skills due to his AM experience doesn't make him a better "FIGHTER" than guys who are more raw and less refine. He may be a better "BOXER" with out to much of a debat, but it takes more than a "Boxer" to beat a Champion or a truly ELITE fighter.

PAC was able to beat Erik, Juan and Marco who all have a **** load more boxing skills than him....the difference is PAC has a "FIGHTERS Heart" and determination...his speed and power help as well...but he didn't win on technique and boxing skills that's for sure. And Valero doesn't win with pure boxing skills although he has them.

 

Gamboa ends Shimada (clean) in 2 full stop

 

Mosquera is level A?! Who the hell did Mosquera beat in the first place for you to put him in level A? Can you post his resume to JUSTIFY his Level A status?!

This is going to be in interesting off topic..

 

the guy's knee was not on the canvas when he was holding the rope

also Valero would have won anyways

but yea it was a cheapshot, could have been grounds for a DQ

 

Way to completely take it out of context. Reread the entire conversation.

 

:rofl

 

he'll get his due sooner or later...lets just hope he's still ok when that happens. He is disaster waiting to happen after all