Either Margarito Lied or Told The Truth = Cheated

I Guess he is, I agree 100 %

 

Margarito said something felt funny but did nothing? Damn that guy just loves to make himself look stupid.

 

naz has been known to play these games and has admitted it...so how anyone can take his story (word for word) serious amazes me......now, margo had it over his knuckle inside a pad...while naz took it with his hands and molested it....also let 13 more people handle it before turning it in....

 

Irony

 

I don't know it Margarito knew or not, I am not psychic.

 

Yes, I'm being serious. Haven't you seen a fighter lose his heart after dishing out his best punches but the opponent isn't slowing down? Mentally, he is more likely to fold. On the other hand, if his punches were doing damage, he might still be able to tough it out because he sees the potential to win if he perseveres.

If you don't think confidence in yourself plays a big role in how much pain you're willing to endure in order to land your best, you don't understand the power of the mind.

 

:rofl

 

This ^. This is my stance on the situation... We'll all be able to see real quick whether or not he ios the same fighter / puncher NOW.

 

If Antonio Margarito was such a confident fighter, if he was as strong minded as you seem to be suggesting, then why would he knowingly cheat in a professional prize fight? Cheaters don't cheat because they are confident and "mentally prepared", they cheat because they are cowards who want an easy route. It just makes no sense to me why a very hard worker, a proud fighter, who takes a lot of punishment to dish out his own, would knowingly resort to a little insert in his handwraps.

I thought your analogy was ridiculous. It'd have made sense if having a beard was merely a function of your will power, but that's only part of the story. Fighters who got knocked out cold by Julian Jackson didn't do so because they wanted to go home early, they got knocked out because their brains were rattled by the force of the opponents punch. I think factors like neck size and posture have a lot to do with punch resistance.

If you plan on cheating on a test, are you going to revise every day for a month?

 

You're misunderstanding ???'s point. He said Tony's confidence could have enhanced after having the inserts placed. Which is not a ridiculous notion. If you know you have a distinct advantage over the other person, your confidence can be boosted a fair few notches.

But I personally believe he's always had that extraordinary heart and determination, with or without the handwraps.

 

No, I understood perfectly, he's suggesting that knowing his hands will harden in the middle rounds, Margarito would be mentally prepared to walk through anything his opponent has to offer. That would only make sense if Margarito turned into the hulk later on, but let's keep things in perspective here. Margarito wouldn't grow a metal arm, a small insert would harden and do a little more damage, in theory. The extent to what effect this wrapping would have is questionable.

Margarito hasn't been knocking guys dead in the later rounds, his constant pressure and punching has slowly worn on the opponents. Cotto wasn't knocked out in the traditional sense, he just gave up. Cintron and Johnson were being brutalized in the early goings, and is Paul Williams a man of iron? He went the distance with Margarito and his wraps, according to many of our members. Margarito scored his knockdown in the first round in his last outing. I don't see a correlation?

In regards to his punch resistance, Margarito looked pretty damn confident in taking Mosleys bombs for 9 rounds, and this without the wraps.

 

I'm kind of of the opinion that you proved why you are wrong with your attempted rebuttal unfortunately.

It has been well documented that Tony's preparation for the Mosley fight was terrible. He had to drop a lot of weight in a short period of time and he was being molested by sparring partners for weeks before the fight. He was in no shape or form to be taking on a fighter like Sugar Shane. Thus he was absolutely in the right frame of mind to cheat. If you're getting your ass kicked every day in training, then you know, and your trainer knows that you're in for a world of trouble... So what do you do...?

Also, the last point of yours is completely meaningless and an ironic addition to your rebuttal given that you lambasted the previous poster for the irrelevance of his own analogy. In yours, cheating on a test guarantees passing, in the actual Margarito situation, cheating with knuckle pads only gives him an advantage - he would still need to be able to perform to capitalize.

I'm not saying Margarito has always been cheating, or even that he knew he had the pads against Mosley. But when you say it doesn't make sense that he would use them for the Mosley fight, that's really not true. There is more than enough motive.

 

This makes sense. The poor preparation could have been Margarito's trainers motivation for putting the insert in Margarito's wrap, I'm not convinced Margarito was in on it at all, though. People who were there have been vocal in saying that Margarito was not acting like a guilty man, he offered his hands to commissioner and said something along the lines of, "Look, there's nothing". Doesn't sound like the actions of a guilty man.

Exactly. Both analogy's are non-comparable.

Nobody was being specific to the Shane Mosley fight. The Mosley fight was the exception, Margarito has typically been a very hard worker and hasn't had a history of bad training camps. That's why I tend to think rather than Margarito having always entered the ring with the inserts, his trainer might have improvised on this occasion because he knew his fighter wasn't ready.

 

Fair enough. Thanks for being civil!

 

You made some good points. It had escaped me at how bad Margarito's preparation was leading up to the Mosley fight, and how that could account for the wrapping.

I still believe the idea that Margarito's punch resistance and stamina would improve as a result of some calcium & sulphur is ludicrous.