Elite - World Class - Continental Level - Domestic Level

Pacquiao probably is A+. But he is so much better overall than Martinez that it's not even close, hence I went for the A-. Mayweather is A in my book. JMM is A- these days - a fair bit better than Bute/Froch.

Bute and Froch have big, serious flaws and weaknesses. I don't think they would at least be competitive against the ATGs at 168-175. (SMW is a new division, so I include them with the ATGs that competed at 175). At best, they are top world-class operators (no mean feat!)

 

Haven't watched his recent fights. How well does he perform these days?:hey

 

That performance by Wonjongkam is underrated. I think people are underrating KK too. Let's see how he bounces from that fight. I think on the basis of that fight, he is a true world class fighter. No doubt about it!

 

Yeah, sure Mayweather is competitive with the greats. I'd pick him to win some and lose some against the greats. He's A level.

I think Pacquiao is greater than most of the top greats, though. I think he'd lose to very few. Hence the A+. And I rank him as high as I do for his level of performance as he moved through the divisions as for anything else. That shows how special he really is. Mayweather, again, falls short in that respect, in comparison.

Martinez, I don't just rate at 160lbs. I rate him at 154 lbs too. I think he is more competitive at 154-160 against the greats than Froch/Bute are against the greats at 168-175.

Just my opinion, of course. And, naturally, things are never quite as black and white as they might seem/ I might make them out to be....

...just a bit of short-hand for the quality of performance.

 

Not sure.