Ellerbe: Mayweather vs. Mosley does 1.4 million buys

Both are a success and about the numbers I predicted. I predicted 6-700k for pac-clottey and about 1.5mil for pbf-mosley.

What LukeO and a couple of other guys is pointing out is its a dissapointment in terms of expectations vs result.

 

That was Cotto's first real PPV. You can't honestly try and compare that with Mosley-Vargas. At the time Cotto nor Judah were PPV attractions and Vargas was. How come Cotto-Margarito was shown on PPV, but Mosley-Margarito was shown on HBO? Remember, Margarito wasn't an attraction when he fought Cotto.

 

They put Cotto on PPV with people like Judah and Jennings because there is a market for him.

There isn't a market for Shane Mosley which is why you don't see him on PPV with fighters like that, the only time you see him on PPV is with a good solid partner that will attract decent figures.

nervousxtian makes the point above: "Shane isn't a big draw, he's a good name though. He won't draw on his own, that's for damn sure."

Shane won't draw on his own but Cotto will which is why they put him on PPV with people like Judah and Jennings, sorry but you must be thick as mince if any of this isn't sinking in.

 

You can chock that up a lot to 'Nando being in the ring.. he had a big fan base. Mosley was a credible guy, so it made sense.

Zab came into the Cotto fight off losing to Baldy, Floyd, and a shitty ESPN featured NC against some tomato can. Hard to sell that ****.. the 225k was all Cotto.

 

You're wasting your time, man.

 

Again, it's not disrespecting a fighter by saying he isn't a PPV draw.. not many guys are. You can count the number of guys who can carry a PPV on one hand. The other PPV's we get are made up usually of a bunch of Mexican fighters to sell to the Latino crowd.

It's how the business is.

In the end, it doesn't mean a guy isn't a good fighter.. just he doesn't make people fork out $55 to watch him on TV.. and again.. there is very few guys who can legitimately draw on their own.

Floyd is a bigger PPV draw than Manny. It just is, and debating it is pointless. In the end, who gives a ****.. I just want to see the two of them fight.

 

Vargas was considered shot and Mosley past it already. Its amazing the fight did 400k.

Much lesser fights have been on ppv, MAB-Fana for example...was that a bigger fight than Mosley-Margo because they were on ppv whereas the latter was not? I dont know the politics behind it, ask the promoter. Im only going by the numbers they have done in the past to make a comparison.

Cotto's only 2 big ppv fights were against Margo & against Mosley himself. Margo-Cotto did great ppv numbers because they were primed best fighters of their nation doing the PR vs Mexico theme.

 

good number. schaefer was just a dickhead for exagerating expectations by throwing 4 million out there. that wouldnt happen if david and goliath was ppv. an idiot to have inflated expectations like that. if he hadnt- people would be accordingly applauding the number- now it seems underperforming.

 

I know. It's amazing that they won't give Floyd credit for anything. Even the things they said he couldn't or wouldn't do. If Mosley has the same drawing power as Cotto(he's doesn't) and Mayweather-Mosley sells 1.4 and Pacquiao-Cotto does 1.25. Wouldn't that still say Mayweather is a bigger draw than Pacquiao?

 

ODLH was shot and did huge numbers with Pac and Floyd. Doesn't matter, Fernando was still the draw.

 

I don't think there's any doubt that Mayweather is a bigger draw, even if he isn't as popular.

How anyone can claim Mosley is as big an attraction as Cotto is crazy, he makes a great opponent in any fight but he doesn't carry PPV's on his own like Cotto because there just isn't the market for him.

 

In America, it doesn't matter if a fighter is shot or not. Jones-Trinidad did 500k PPV's. Even if past it, established stars can sell here.

No need for a promoter's opinion. Unlike Mosley, Barrera had a following so that would explain why Barrera-Fana was on PPV and Mosley-Margarito was not. If networks don't put fights on PPV, their obviously saying that it won't sell. They'll never skip out on a chance to make extra money.

Cotto also fought Pacquiao on PPV so he had 3 big fights up there.

 

Schaefer and HBO vice president went on record saying they think it breaks 2.4mil record. They havent said that about previous fights.

Also most of the floyd fanboys predicted 2mil+
bewareofdog
neckbreakenaiken
uncle oden
Leon
eze
marnoff
igotjuic3
chili
darryl1914


Most of the 1.5mil predictions came from pac fans & neutrals.
LukeO
Devildoc
contendo
kirk
elchivito
ricardinho
fytelod
morrisey

Thats just general predictions from 1 thread. There's a pattern there, floyd fans for the most part were clearly expecting more.

Also lets not forget that Arum also firstly released Pac-Cotto numbers as 1.4mil...then it went down to 1.2mil. Ellerbe releases it as 1.4mil...would not be surprised to see it go down if HBO ever officially announces it.

 

5 pages debating pedantically on what constitute a failure? atsch