Emanuel Steward: "Wladimir is the more talented, Lennox is the more accomplished"

+1

Out side Rahman 2.....and that was the best* I'd ever seen a power jab, I'd say Wlad has a couple better jabs.
For me was where the hell did that THING come from.
(*Tall down jab.....Liston's jab was not so down, not being extra tall.)

Before Wald gassed with Purity he was much more an aggressive fighter.

After he gassed with Brewster....and he hit Brewster with an arsenal, he conserved his strength.

Lewis did not appear to me to be the more active man in a full three minute round. He had never gassed, but took his air breaks.

What Wlad lacks of the four jabs is the flea flicker.

Lewis could not keep everyone off of him all the time with his just his jab, and the threat of a right hand.
Lewis is better inside.

Lewis was more fluid....and Wlad has a weakness in he don't side step out and punch on the way out...his defence was learned 'late'. He gets out of the way....just like Ali but don't lean back enough to make it look smooth.....everyone complained when Ali ran....he ran. With Ali's then tall 6'3" and huge 81-82 inch reach, he was able to get away with it.
Odd but everyone was looking for a Stand Up Boxer back then.

Well he's not really an in and out fighter...even though he does...basicly he's boring in with his jab and setting up a good right hand.
I guess everyone would like him more if he was a hit and run artist like Ali????:shock:


That straight right of Wlad kept one fighter....Castillio or something like that paralyzed in waiting for it for the first 4 rounds of a fight waiting for it to be thrown. In those rounds Wlad threw almost only a jab, and perhaps a couple of long hooks.
I'd thought he'd hurt his right hand.

No....Wlad don't have a 'clubbing' right hand, he's got a great straight right.

Oddly Wlad don't have a overhand right, nor a hay making left hook nor right.His sort hook is short and fast...he don't load up on it much.
Loading up takes an eye blink and in a boxing match an eye blink is a very long time.



It could be that Lewis had a better cross....to tell you the truth, I don't remember Lewis being famous for a right cross. Wlad isn't either, but both must have it. It's a basic punch.

I just remember how all the haters said, Lewis's so boring.
He was hated in America because he spoke well..didn't trash talk, and was a foreigner. Hated as much as DHL. It was only after the Vitili fight that he became well liked...by the 'fans'....only because Vitili was hated more being white, and a Russian.
Could be I'm wrong here perhaps he picked up a couple of fans from Rahman 2. Not many though he and DHL were still the two most hated men in boxing. Now he's an ATG....who dodged the hell out of Vitali rematch he promiced in the ring.
He was wise to do so...he'd started getting old, losing that tad of reflex.

Wlad had to learn to clinch from Stewart...in the Brewster fight, I thought he was practicing that; and how to push a man down...which he hadn't done before....he was but he still gassed. I was for the first time impressed with the way he clinched.

Ali by the way is The ATG clincher...then Lewis and finally Wlad...one can see he's still a bit awkward at it...it don't flow naturally like Ali and Lewis.

Wlad does have all the tools, why he don't use his upper cut more I don't know out side, he can get out of the way still. I think when he starts slowing down, he will be using it more.



Wlad does have a very nice long classic left hook. After the Brewster fight, he had a fight with some one who had never down...First or third punch was a beautiful long classic hook to the temple....and Wlad needing the rounds apologized to the booing fans.
Yep he gets booed for ending a fight too soon.

(My wife was totally pissed off that that Sanders fight only went two rounds....all that money for 'nothing'. I saw a very nice large undercard back then....and was impressed by Sanders.)

Odd so many want to be able to *****....it was a lousy boring fight, it went nearly to the end of the third round....:think

Wlad like Lewis is boring because they can use their advantage of height, reach and box, instead of having to work in close.

Odd but one don't see many short fat jabbing machines.....wonder why.

 

I have the impression Wlad is faster, both his hands and his footwork, while LL had the wider range of variety in his shots, the vicious uppercut the overhand right, the jab obviously. Wlad these days has the jab and the right cross. Only a few years ago he also used a short left hook and was successful with it, it accounting to one-punch-knock-out blows a few times, but he seems to have abandoned the punch, maybe because it requires him to get too close to the opponent.

 

lewis is better overall than wlad.

watch lennox fights...

 

Stewart is just a pimp and a politican, I wonder how much Wlad had to suck his dick to make him say that.

Wlad a man who has never used the upper cut, a man who can trhow good body shots, a man who has poor head movement and could not even cut off the ring more talented?

Stewart is an Idiot!

 

I'm a fan of both Wladimir and Lewis.

But saying Wladimir has accomplished more is just stupid. Wladimir hasn't been the dominant Heavyweight since beating Chris Byrd, Vitali is still around a lot of people consider Vitali to be the better brother. I truthfully think Wladimir is the better of the two, but there is still an uncertainty hanging over who is the best due to their unwillingness to face each other.

 

I wouldn't pay any attention to Manny thoughts on this subject until he no longer gets paid by Wlad. THEN his opinion will mean something. No one in a very lucrative job says to their boss 'I think my old boss is better than you' If he still says this after Wlad retires or they go their seperate ways then it will be very intersting

 

There is nothing controversial about that at all. Bowe is the most naturally skilled big man ever. A fighter that size who could fight inside like Bowe is a one off.
Unfortunately for Bowe natural talent isn't the only thing required in the ring.

 

Lewis was a better counter puncher, and he had the ability to mix up his game(uppercut). Wlad might be effective, but its mainly due to discipline, cautiousness.

Lewis had more offensive than Wlad, and whilst you could argue, Wlad has a better defense, Lewis was a better counter puncher imo.

Lewis also had more heart than Wlad imo.

 

Regardless, at his best, Lewis would have taken Wladimir out, similar to the way he took Grant out, maybe it would take a few more rounds, but Wlad would get done over!

 

I think there is a level between Lennox Lewis and Vladimir Klitschko... Not a massive level but its fairly evident in the average persons eyes that lennox is superior

 

Lewis would beat the dog**** out of Wladimir

 

He definitely would.

I now have even more conviction in this after re-watching the Haye fight, there is no doubt in my mind Lewis takes Wlad into deep waters and drowns him.

 

Widdow, you're right. I looked it up and it was the other orgs that were blanking the WBO until the mid to late 90's, not the other way around.

Still, it was a **** title IMO. (the one that matters to me... )

Fair enough.

And Wlads problem IMO, is that there is another fighter in the heavyweight division that can be considered his equal (or better). Therefore he can never be the #1 until he gets that other belt, or beats Vitali.

I'm not advocating he fights Vitali. That would be stupid. It would never be a true fight.

However, it's the elephant in the room. Wlad can't be #1 while he's around. It's unfortunate, but true. If Vitali wasn't his brother, that's the fight everybody would want, and that's the fight that would prove who's the best.

Yep, he's won all the belts but that one, but you can't ignore it. Vitali is the legit WBC champ.

Lewis became undisputed when he beat Holy. Wlad is having to wait until vitali retires. And why should Vitali retired. He's winning easy now.

No, he hasn't.

Not uniformly, and not undisputed.

If Vitaly was called, I don't know, Mike Holyfield, who would be considered #1? I know what I'd be saying. Neither until they fight. they are clearly the best 2 fighters, head and shoulders above the rest. So, they need to fight to be considered #1.

 

.......bump, seeing how it ties in with what Lewis has been saying.