Kermit is an excellent athlete and I'm happy to see the progress he's making with Steward. He is developing the way I expected Jermain Taylor to. Cintron is obviously a good student and I hope he continues to progress.
As a trainer I agree with you to a point, but I also understand my limitiation when hadling talent and how far I can take them, at one point or another, it is in the benefits of the boxers, the guy that you trained from scrath to let him go to the next level, and you can't ...so waht you do you give the keys to the Ferrari to Mario Andretti to so you know he cantake it to the finish line first...and watching the next trainer taking him to the next level is satisfying enough since you know that you had a huge part on his achievement, you laid the solid foundation to built on...
lee was born in london :roll: sorry if he becomes a champion then he is a british fighter...yea us brits are sad when it comes to champions and british identitiy
I am not here to make this personal with you. Just to voice my opinion. Your reply didn't address any of the points I made. Not to mention the points I made were facts, not opinion. The Mathysse fight was a good win, but who did Cintron actually beat there? Mathysse doesn't have one recognizeble name on his record outside of Williams, and Williams beat him from pillar to post. If you look at the records of Teddy Reid and Elio Ortiz you see many many recognizable names, and a world champion or two on there records. On Reids resume you have Terrance Cauthen, Golden Johnson, Joe Hutchinson, Ben Tackie, Andrew Lewis, Rodney Jones, and Verno Phillips. All much more accomplished that the nobodies on Mathysses resume. Elio Ortiz has faced Omar Weiss, Sharmba Mitchell, Ricardo Mayorga, Michelle Piccirillo, Ray Oliveira, and Joachim Alcine. Also all more accomplished than anyone on Mathysses resume. Kermit scarecly lost a round when he was fighting with his old team, and when he faced his first two top ten opponents (Reid n Ortiz) he didn't lose a single round, and produced highlite reel KO's. Can the same be said since He got together with Steward? Estrada came close to dropping him several times, and that was also the first time I saw him genuinely hurt. (don't even include the quit job he pulled against Margarito) His fight with Estrada was very close till the end. Suarez had his moments with Cintron as well. Physically he is not nearly as imposing as he once was. He weighed 146 for his fight with Mathysse, and entered the ring at only 152. With his old team he routinely entered the ring at 160+. Looking strong and ready for war. I watch his old tapes and no longer see the same handspeed or one punch power. As for Kauffman... are you saying he is limited as a trainer? Hmmm takes 19 year old kid who never boxed and runs him to 24-0 22 kos in under 5 years both amateur and pro career combined. Son Travis was the US #1 amateur super-heavyweight for two years. He won two national title and placed top three in every national tournament he entered. What I see is a trainer that can take a beginner and turn him into a wolrd class boxer. Doesn't sound to limited to me.
dude I have been around boxing and gyms since i was 5 years old, that is almost 30 years. I dont need some young buck telling me how it works. Truth is KRONK is a gym its not Manny Steward, and with that being said Manny not training someone from 15 to a world title isnt the point, the point is KRONK gym hasnt produced a world champion in a long time. Manny isnt the only trainer in that gym, if he is/was then his fighters arent gettin trained with all the TV dates, and fights that he does, no wonder they have not produced a champ. No there are many trainers there I would guess, it just not kicking out the champs the way that it use to.
i can't lie cintron did kinda emind me of hearns with the yellow trunks and the bounce in his steps not saying he 's the next one but he did shadow him a lili saturday night. wlad is doing great with steward and JT is a bum.
That's a good question. I live in Detroit and I can't think of the last one myself. There have been a few hyped prospects in recent years (Octavio Lara, Tarik Salmaci) but neither of them panned out. Manny has been making his name by taking over guys who were already title holders and being credited with "taking them to the next level" for a while now.
Good call, RayRay. It would be nice to see both Banks and Lee reach the championship level. Lee has looked really good so far and Banks has shown promise.
I know I'm biased based on living here...but I know we're both pulling for the hometown guys.How badass would it be if down the road we get title fights at the Palace?!!!
The Palace, Joe Louis Arena, Cobo Arena, anyplace in the area would be good with me. I had hoped that the arrival of casinos in Detroit would lead to bigger boxing shows in town, but it hasn't worked out that way. If Lee and/or Banks really take off, maybe Manny can use some of his pull to get them some big fights here.
You don't have to revisit Kermit Cintron's resume for me, I been following his career since the beginning , so anything that you may want to say about him, I already know Sure they did a greet job with a guy that was a College level Wrestler, with mayor strength, mobility and understanding of contact sports and very competitive, slimmed him down to a good boxing weight, showing very good technical knowledge on how maximize the assets of a potential boxer to be .Kermit was not a chump that walk in from the street, he was a basified wrestler and athlete ..Now no doubt that Kauffman had great credential in the amateurs and very good resume, but that is Amateur and sure his team did a great job with Kermit, plus the period after the Margo fight and after we dont know what was happening between Kermit and his people in all honesty I dont know the details on how and why Emanuel was brought in, but obviously the manager of Kermit taught he needed to be settle and move forward after the Margo debacle, and one thing that Emanuel brings to the table is immediate credibility as a proven PROFESSIONAL trainer .Kauffman did as good a he could as I mention , and after the Margo lost well Kermit was damage goods, and I dont know if Kauffman had the ability to pick him up, infuse confidence and move forward .regardless how good Kauffman was as a basified Amateur trainer and professional trainer for Kermit, he is no Emanuel Stewart, I am talking about the aura of Stewart and Kronk, which start healing the psychic of any boxer and that was the first order of work to be done with Kermit after the Margo fight his psychic ..and as a trainer, I am telling you can deal with the technical issues and skills but what Kermit needed was confidence, rebuilding a boxer from the ground up after a catastrophic defeat like the Margo one, is not easy...