So what you are saying is that Kauffman was successful with Cintron because Cintron was a good high school wrestler? If thats the case boxing trainers would be scouting high school wrestling teams for talent. Everything you say minimizes Kauffmans accomplishments. So far Steward is 3-0 with Kermit against unranked fighters. Big deal. Taking and already world class boxer and getting him a few wins over over unranked opponents is nothing to brag about. He is no Emanuel Steward? SO WHAT! I don't deny that Steward is a knowledgeable trainer, but to minimize what Kauffman did is rediculous. By your logic Jermaine Talylor should be invincible now that the BOXING GOD known as Manny Steward is his trainer. LOL Taylor struggles with Jr welters, Welters, and Jr, Middleweights now. Fact of the matter is Kauffman is every bit the trainer Steward is or better, and Kermit was a kid with great potential. Together they did something very special. Kermit is what he is because of the years of work and dedication that Kauffman and Pastore put into him. Cintron has one person and one person only to blame for the loss against Margarito. HIMSELF. Kermit is the one that chose to show up late on a daily basis for his workouts. Kermit is the one who decided to start listening to his girlfriends instructions on how he should prepare for the fight. Kermit is the one that decded to stop doing all the things in training that got him to where he is. Kermit is the one that quit sparring sessions the moment they became difficult. Kermit is the one that decided he didn't wanna train hard. There is alot I know about Kermit that you do not. I know because I train out of the same gym, and I was in many of Kermits camps. What I am saying is facts. You know what you read on the internet. The experiences I am talking about are experiences I lived.
I am not minimizing anything, I could easily say that you are overhyping Kauffman... All I am saying is this, plain and simple, someone made the desicion and Kermiot was Ok with it....Kauffman did wonders with Kermit, but it it time to move to the next level...that all.....if he beat Margo in the near future and potentially hold 2 parts of the WW belts at one point, I am sure that he will fill that Emanuel did his job....as you know,the percention of the boxers to his trainer is critical, if he perceives that he is improving and becoming a better boxer, even if he isn;t, then he is doing his job....and you know that...
I'm not hyping Marshall, what I am saying is purely factual. And once again you ignore basically everything I stated. It seems logical to me that a trainer that takes a guy that never boxed a day in his life and trains that guy from amateur to 24-0 22 ko's I think its safe to say that that trainer is exceptional. If a trainer takes a kid from never having boxed all the way to mutliple national and international amateur titles and #1 in the country I think its safe to say that trainer is is exceptional. GO BACK AND REWATCH CINTRON VS ORTIZ & CINTRON VS REID. I think you will see some of the things I mean.
Stil sour about Cintron moving on with a new team? I understand that.. but you seem to forget that he's 24-1-0 (22 KOs) with that lost looking really bad. And the fact that he didn't look all too good defensively against Teddy Reid who hits in slow-motion seems to have slipped your mind. He never beat a fighter as good as David Estrada with his ex-team, let alone Mark Suarez. I'll give you that Walter Mathysse was kind of a showcase fight but he did get rid of Mathysse a lot more explosively than P-Will did. Sour grapes.. is all I read in your text man.
Well my insight to Cintron is from the inside. Not based on what I saw on TV. The facts I stated are just that... FACTS! Kermit didn't look good defensively against Reid???? Check compubox. Reids connect % was below 20% which means he landed less than 1 out of every 5 punches he threw, including the last three completed rounds where Reid threw over 100 punches a round. There was one round where Reids connects were in the single digits. As for the fight with Ortiz there were 2-3 rounds where Ortizs' connected in the single digits. As for nobody on Kermits resume was as good as Suarez or Estrada? Thats rediculous. Both Reid and Ortiz were RING MAGAZINE rated top 10 guys at the time. Look at the guys they fought as well. Much more accomplished guys on there resumes than on the resumes of Estrada and Suarez. Niether Estrada or Suarez ever craked the Rings top 10.
Again ...who ever made the desicion...Kermit didn;t complaint....and he took Emanuel like a fish on water...not like Jermain who is fighting Emanuel and recented DiBella changing trainers on him....actually a very good analogy of the two...
If you are a trainer then I fail to see why you don't recognize the following. When a fighter loses they very often look to place the blame somewhere else. Its never there fault, its always someone elses fault as to why they lost. 9 out of ten times its easiest to blame the trainer. Trainers are also the easiest to remove and replace. No contracts. There were no problems in the way Kermit was trained or managed, the problems were within Kermit himself. In his lack of character. Yeah he accepted the decision of his girlfriend to leave and change trainers. It was easier to blame the team then to man up and say I trained poorly for the fight. I didn't listen to Marshall and follow the game plan. I paid more attention to my girlfriend than I did my boxing career. He simply turned his back on and blamed the people who were responsible for his success. The same lack of character he shows in his personal life showed up in his fight with Margarito, and it will show up again. As I said before I am not saying Manny is a bad trainer, but he is getting far to much credit for Kermits success. Kauffman and Pastore made Cintron what he is. Lets see what happens when Kermit fights someone who challenges him in the manner Tedy Reid and Margarito did. He will fold. Its in his nature!
If you have that kind of inside information on Kermit, then you know far more than I ,therefore, then you had your hand on the pulse and see what happend....Regarding the Reid fight, we are both in agreement that he seemed extremelly perturbe about Reid all during the fight......we will see what happened ..you could easily be forth telling the future..again you ahve some interesting inside information that I didn't BTW, when I train my fighter, I start from the bottom up, and the issue of responsability to themself before anyone else....
Please don't get the wrong impression. I am not trying to be argumentative. I am not knocking Manny as a trainer. I am just tired of hearing people talk as though Manny made Kermit. Kauffman and Pastore made Kermit. They taught him everything he knows. I watched as the hours or time they invested turned into days turned into weeks turned into months turned into years. I saw the day to day progression. I watched as month after month he got better n better. I watched as sparring partner after sparring partner got dismantled or quit. I watched as Kermit began to take everything he waslearning and put it all together. I watched as each and every punch he threw became better and better.r I saw fights where he would buckles a guys legs with his jab. KO's from left hooks. KO's from right hands. KO's from uppercuts. I was at the gym where Pastore ran Kermit through his strength and conditioning drills. I was the first day he began his weight training and he could only bench 95 pounds for 5 reps, I was also there in camp for Teddy Reid when Kermit was benching 245 for 5 reps while still weighing the same he did when he began his pro career. I watched his squat climb from 135 for 5 reps to 315 for 5 reps. I watched his strength go up from weeks to week without ever gaining weight. A testament to Pastore. I went along as they drove him all over PA, NY,NJ,and VA for sparring. Pastore took care of every expense in Kermits life. All Kermit had to do was train, eat, sleep, and fight. Everything outside those things was taken care of. Kermit lived with Pastore for 3 years. EXPENSE FREE. I could go on and on. You might wonder "how does he know all this?" Well, I will tell you. I train in the same gym. Sparred tons of rounds with Kermit. I spent alot of time listening to Kermit praise Marshall and Joe for everything they did for him. How he would be with them forever. Marshall and Kerm were like father n son, and Joe n Kerm were like brothers. The reason there relationship fell apart can be summed up in two words. MARIA ROBERTS. She came on the scene and immediately started telling Kermit he no longer needed them. That they didn't deserve there percentages. That he should fire them. This went on through the Margarito camp, and after the fight thats exactly what he did. As for the Reid fight... let me expain it like this. While Reid is not a world class boxer, he is a world class puncher. The whole gym was nervous about that fight. We had seen tape of Teddy sparring and KO'ing 2 heavyweights with one punch. Reid is the only WW I knew of that I thought could match Kermits physical strength and punching power. Fortunately Kermit trained liek a champion for that fight. He was strong, welll conditioned, and well school by Marshall as to how to beat Teddy.
I heard a rumour through some grapevine or other that Emmanuel was talkin recently bout how it would only take Prince Naseem two months to get in fighting shape n that he is willing to help him. I also heard the Prince is in training and down past 140. Anyone got a gem of knowledge for an interested Yorkshireman?
Kermit is scheduled to fight a keep-active type of fight on the Mayorga-Vargas undercard. If Mayorga was to win that bout it would be a good time to call him out. I wonder if he'll defend his IBF title while at it.