Emile "La Maricón Peligroso" Griffith

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    A superb h2h talent with perhaps the GOAT résumé at welterweight, historically ever a glamour division. In a campaign that clocks in just eleven months shy of two full decades, he crammed in some of the craziest matchmaking you will ever find, even by ATG standards.

    One salient point stands out. 55% of the opponents he faced (with 112 bouts and well over a thousand rounds boxed) were top-10 ranked contenders.

    Just let that sink in. That is an obscene statistic. That is sickening. Absurd. Fantastical.

    The kiddies of today just won't be able to appreciate the greatness of Griffith via one perfunctory glance at his BoxRec page, or even a couple of YouTube clips (though his skills are self-evident and timeless and one can easily picture him storming through 147lbs today were he transplanted from some of his filmed performances into the ring with some of what pass for modern elites). Some might even balk at his record for appearing too pedestrian to belong to someone old-school boxing scholars insist was a Great with a bold capital G. :-( (and might then start levying empty accusations of nostalgia bias and hipster-ism toward anybody rating him exactly as highly as is appropriate)

    Yes, there are two dozen losses on there. Examine the ones that occurred in his prime (pretty much the breadth of the nineteen-sixties), however.

    Three split decisions, two of them later avenged. In both rivalries he ended up claiming a 2-1 share and in one he...well, beat a man to death, as conclusive an exclamation point as can be put on such a thing.

    A close loss to El Feo (many contemporary publications seeing it Griffith's way), twice over avenged, in a rivalry that saw Griffith best him in 3 of 4 contests.

    The Hurricane fluke.

    Another SD. (avenged by year's end)

    UD loss to Hall of Fame entry Fullmer.

    UD loss to Benvenuti in FOTY, avenged months later.

    Razor thin loss to Benvenuti in the rubber match.

    Another SD, this one also quickly avenged.

    ...and now, at last, we reach Napoles - the ONE AND ONLY clear and decisive loss in Griffith's prime, and it was at the very tail end of it.

    Yes, he was past his prime by the Monzón loss. No disrespect to Escopeta, he just was. (still a good W for Monzón, though, especially the method to achieve the result, overwhelming and stopping Griffith)

    Now weigh those losses - just one clear and decisive, and that coming to a fellow great - against the # of scalps he collected in that same decade. Ridiculous.

    Outside the ring he was as fascinating a figure as inside. By the end of his life he was openly bi***ual, paving the way for combat sports athletes in the present day to come out while still active (Orlando Cruz in boxing, Liz Carmouche in the UFC, and Rod Llaneza in kickboxing) - and while he didn't quite embrace his ***uality in his own heyday, it would have carried much starker repercussions than it would today. The fact that he did eventually, once it was safe, confirm his predilections in various interviews makes it safe to call him a pioneer of tolerance in the sport as well as perhaps its most decorated practitioner in a division that ranks among its most storied.
     
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  2. CST80

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    La Maricón Peligroso :lol: Jesus that's a great nickname its a pity he din't use it when he was fighting.
     
  3. IntentionalButt

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    Different time, friend. Wouldn't have been practicable.

    ...though it does roll nicely off the glot.
     
  4. Drew101

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    Many historians believe that LMR was robbed in at least a couple of their fights, and that the series should be weighted in the Cuban's favor.

    That said, Griffith was a legitimate ATG.
     
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  5. IntentionalButt

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    Yeah, even adjusted for that his resume is still bananas.
     
  6. Skins

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    Even past his prime he was traveling around the world fighting contenders in their home towns and winning more than not. A true great who never ran around tooting his own horn
     
  7. IntentionalButt

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    :good
     
  8. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    Nice post 25% of the cats on here will appreciate the thought another 25% could care less about Emile because he doesn't fit into their gated community mind set 10% will ignore the post completely 15% will mention a modern day hero who naturally operates a weight class or two above a prime Emile that hypothetically destroys him h2h while the remaining 25% will focus on his ***ual preference.

    Funny thing and true story my father was "approached" lol by Emile outside of Madison square garden back in the 60's everyone knew he was playing for the other team even back then.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :-( Probably accurate.

    :yep

    It takes a certain kind of bad ass confidence in your fighting abilities to have casually made passes at random men in a time like that.
     
  10. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Yeah I know......but...its mildy plausible in the late 60's and early 70's he could have piggy backed off the Andy Warhol Factory and Velvet Underground's underground success and became a slight counter culture hero. Although he'd have probably been assassinated for being an out and proud black gay man.
     
  11. Cafe

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    Honestly, I can't say I know much about Griffith, I've seen a little bit of his fights against El Feo (and that's because I was "researching" him not Griffith), I'll certainly will have to educate myself on him.
     
  12. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    Do so! Check out his fights with the "kid" on ytube
     
  13. IntentionalButt

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    Griffith vs. Benvenuti I (full):
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    Griffith vs. Benvenuti II (partial):
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  14. SOUTHERMOST

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    Emile what a figher he was in the closet most of his life the movie explains everything the Cuban Paret touched his ass during the weigh in and called him the tragic word Maricon I think was the reason for him killing Paret, your title should be "El Maricon Peligroso" to me he was a better Middle than Welter.
     
  15. Boxing Prospect

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