Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao Vs. Floyd Joy Sinclair: My Assessment Of The Match

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I'm predicting Manny will win a 9-3 or 8-4ish decision or by late stoppage although that may be a stretch..

    Here's a few thoughts:
    While triangle theories don't always hold water and are hardly definitive evidence or anything I think there is more than just a little extenuating evidence that would point to Manny dominating Floyd by using this method.

    Let's get the main bugaboo out of the way first.
    How can someone who struggled with Marquezx4 who Floyd dominated, beat Floyd?
    Easy styles make fights. Manny is a come forward fighter and Marquez who is a thudding counter puncher by nature (which naturally makes Manny more cautious) and can brawl if needed, and is a efficient counter puncher while brawling as well. He is just the right height (equal) and has just the right reach (equal) to give Manny nightmares.

    But but but Floyd beat Marquez, why? Because Marquez cannot fight counter punchers its his kryptonite, the match put JMM at a natural disadvantage it forced him to be the aggressor which he is usually not, and Floyd with the height and reach advantage, also being a natural at that weight was able to dominate the bulked up slow plodding Marquez with ease. Nothing in that match was a comfortable fit for Juan.

    Well Floyd beat him so he beats Manny right......Wrong.

    Tim Bradley dominated JMM as well and lost (let's be honest) twice against Pacquiao. Tim fought Marquez is a way similar to Floyd, Tim is very versatile, he can brawl like he did with Alexander, or counter like he did with Ruslan. Well he chose to not give JMM what he wanted and make him come to him. Tim who has incredibly fast hands and is very adept a slipping punches in close was dominated by Manny twice with ease. Nothing Tim could do could keep Manny off of him, why because Manny didn't fear his power and could walk him down without the fear of being knocked out cold. Manny is awkward as hell and throws at such awkward angles and his handspeed is so blisteringly fast most fighters minds can't process what is coming at them quick enough to slip it. Tim was basically shutout by Manny in both matches, there is no round however that you can truly say Tim dominated.

    Manny vs Cotto vs Mayweather vs. Cotto.
    The first few rounds of Pacquiao/Cotto were relatively competitive and then they weren't after Manny dropped himx2, he proceeded to dominate and rip Cotto's face to pieces. There is no weight drained excuse that will suffice, if they fought today the same thing would happen, because Manny's handspeed was too much and Cotto's chin would be exposed again. Yet the same Cotto who was dominated by Manny fought Floyd a few pounds north and had more success than most have had against him winning 4 rounds pretty cleanly and being competitive in 2 or 3 more.

    Manny dropped him twice and stopped him, he was a bloody mess.
    Floyd won on points looked bad at times, stunned Cotto in the 12th.


    Manny vs Hatton vs Floyd vs Hatton.
    Hatton looked pedestrian against Floyd while he was aggressive as hell it was mainly ineffective aggression most of what he was throwing wasn't landing cleanly, and after giving Floyd a whole match to tee off on him finally the accumulation of punches had its effect with Floyd's check left hook the dropped him into the turnbuckle and eventually led to the ref stopping the match. Manny pretty much aggressively beat the **** out of him and stopped him by knocking him out cold in 2.

    Floyd stopped him late.
    Manny stopped him early.

    Manny vs Oscar vs Floyd vs Oscar.
    Floyd looked pretty bad against Oscar, you could actually make a argument that it should have been a draw, Oscar and his come forward aggression and constant body punching with no attempt at accuracy was very effective at times, Maidana tried a similar strategy and as barbarian as it may seem it tends to work until the opponent gasses. Well Manny doesn't gas as easily and his punches will be far more accurate than Oscar's.

    Was Oscar drained and old against Manny ....maybe. But that doesn't change the outcome, even if Oscar was healthy as a horse Manny's speed would have been just too much he dominated every round and retired poor Oscar.

    Floyd barely scraped by Oscar.
    Manny demolished him.


    Manny vs Mosley vs Floyd vs Mosley
    An old shot Mosley nearly put Floyd on his ass in the second and had Floyd not held on for dear life, he would have gone down and maybe even been stopped by Shane. Floyd dominated the rest.

    Manny shut him out for 12 and dropped him for the first time in his career.

    Manny shut him out.
    Floyd almost shut him out and got badly hurt.


    Manny vs Rios vs Floyd vs Maidana
    Obviously Maidana is a little better overall but they are both relatively crude brawlers. Yet Money's footwork and leg speed wasn't what it should have been against Marcos and his reflexes had slipped just a little, the end result Maidana won between 4 to 6 rounds depending on how you scored it. Floyd looked terrible at times in the first Maidana match and second who knows what the end result could have been because everytime Maidana got near Floyd Bayless stepped in to protect him. Maidana had to fight Floyd and Kenny in the rematch.

    Manny fought the equally hard punching pressure fighting Rios, who while not as skilled it does seem like Rios could have won at least one round doesn't it. Well he may have won 1 and that's debatable Manny dominated him from start and almost stopped him the near the finish. His handspeed and movement were far too much, Brandon never even had a chance.

    Manny looked brilliant against Brandon.
    Floyd looked like hell against Maidana.


    Manny vs Chris vs Floyd vs Canelo
    Comparison based on youth not quality.
    Floyd fought Canelo because Canelo had just barely eeked out a decision over Trout, Floyd knew he was faster and better than Trout so he cherry picked Canelo at the right time, it wasn't some great risk, add to that the fact that he fought Drainelo it makes it even less impressive. Canelo was too green and lacked the boxing acumen to even stand in the ring with Floyd and Floyd knew this and he got him before he got too good.

    Manny did the same thing with Algieri, it was far too soon to put Chris in the ring with a fighter the caliber of Pacquiao, that being said Algieri has great speed, and movement and is a fairly decent retreating counter puncher who granted lacks power, but these variables could have possibly troubled Manny in the same way they troubled Ruslan. Manny destroyed poor Chris who has a damn good chin dropping him 6 times 4 more times than the heavy handed Ruslan, proving Manny's power is still capable of hurting his opponents.

    Manny destroyed Chris.
    Floyd schooled Canelo but Canelo won 2 or 3 rounds.


    Manny has recently beaten Tim undefeated twice, Rios with one loss, the undefeated Algieri all of the fighters are young and hungry and none of them looked remotely decent and loss one sided decisions.

    Floyd has recently looked average barely beating a barbarian like Marcosx2, outpointing Guerrero who's decent far less impressively than One Time, and beaten Canelo who was drained and inexperienced but still Floyd's best recent win.


    There is a reason why Floyd doesn't want to fight Manny, he has troubles with southpaws, he has troubles with aggressive come forward fighters, he has troubles with fighters with great handspeed, he has troubles with fighters who are awkward, and he has troubles with fighters with accuracy.


    In a nutshell Manny Pacquiao is Floyd's nightmare opponent.
    Floyd was able to adjust to Maidana after 6 rounds, Maidana on his best day is nowhere near the fighter of the intelligence level, speed and versatility of a Manny Pacquiao.

    Add to that, Floyd low activity level, lack of power, waning defensive skills, faltering reflexes, and tendency to sit on the ropes, and declining footwork and speed................................. Floyd is doomed.:deal




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  2. boxing_master

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    :yep pacman is all wrong for DUCKWEATHER and on may 2 the world will see way

    WAR PACQAUIO
     
  3. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    Lol @ Pac stopping Floyd

    Pac hasn't stopped **** in 5 years!

    Floyd has never went down in 18 years in the game.

    Floyd is going to knock Pac out in the late rounds via right hand to his fragile mandible.
     
  4. TheDarkLord

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  5. kirk

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    I think Mayweather wins 8-4 or 9-3, but as always you make great points and I like reading your thread. Cant wait!
     
  6. moparfan

    moparfan ESB's glass jawed fraud Full Member

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    Quality assessment and breakdown...!!! Though I believe Mayweather will win, you bring up valid reasons...!!!
     
  7. hooligan

    hooligan Millionaire Bum Full Member

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    mosley got dropped by vernon...twice????
     
  8. tarugojones

    tarugojones Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What do you all think the reason Floyd been ducking Pacquiao for yaers ?

    Pacquiao will beat Floyd on May 2nd. :deal
     
  9. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    dude.. GO AND SEE IT round 2 of their first fight.. the first knockdown is ****ING BRUTAL
     
  10. larryx2012

    larryx2012 I AM BETTER THEN YOU Full Member

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    You said you can;t use Floyd beating Jmm because styles make fights...then go on to compare the other fights where Manny looked better as proof he would win???wtf
     
  11. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The only great assessment on this thread.. :deal
     
  12. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I missed both of those matches, was never a big Mosley fan, I guess I have to educate myself on them:yep, I think I was in college at the time.
     
  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Juan Manuel's style is a perfect fit for doing well against Manny, and terrible against someone like Floyd.

    Everyone else's styles that I pointed out don't necessarily provide a style clash for Manny or Floyd, Manny just happened to beat most of them in a far more dominant manner.
     
  14. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    I credit you again for a proper, factual post CST. Good job brother.

    Although, I do not agree with the result, I agree with the breakdown.

    I see Floyd fighting one of the most annoying fights to watch. He will keep at bay, pot shot for all he is worth and clinch, the second he gets a chance. The crowd will boo, but at the end of the day, Floyd wins a lack lustre fight by decision. Expect plenty of elbows and forearm to the face from Floyd, as he knows Pacquiao can be cut.

    Watch the Hatton fight to see what I mean about the clinching. He will have Pacquiao coming forward, Pacquiao will get frustrated, Floyd will counter as he is coming in and then hug as soon as he can, to stop Pacquiaos fluid punching and style. I believe Floyd will have an easier job pot shotting Pacquiao than he did Hatton (or as easy) as he will stay in the pocket and pop pop, as Pacquiao comes in. Pacquiao wont rush Mayweather like ODLH, Maidana or Hatton. As he doesn't have the size to do so, and he is not that type of fighter.

    He is a come forward fighter, but he is not a rough-housing bully.

    Just my take on it.
     
  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Its possible but I think Manny's in and out herky jerky movement will prove far harder to counter as accurately and Mayweather may not be able to catch him on the way in or out to hold him.