Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao vs. Keith Fitzgerald Thurman Jr. airing on FS2/IB's standalone RBR card

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Just under a fortnight away from its 2 year anniversary. About midway into the broadcast; Figueroa vs. Ugás just underway. Opportunity for those (like myself) who missed it to watch & score the main event. :thumbsup:
     
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  2. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fitzgerald? Thurmans Irish now?
     
  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Probably a bit on the side of his dad, Keith Sr., yeah, which means he's ultimately of less than half African descent. His mom is Hungarian & Polish.
     
  4. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, Thurman and Canelo representing the Irish. Forget that weak Conlan fella or that whisky guy on UFC.
     
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  5. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    I got Pac by decision.

    Thurman 0 bout to go.
     
  6. IntentionalButt

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    Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao vs. Keith Fitzgerald Thurman Jr., 12 rounds @ welterweight


    Round 1

    Hard to argue with a cleanly scored KD. Good start for the middle aged politician. Brilliantly executed combination, diving left on the belly to a) carry him inside and b) limit and brace his momentum to let him get off that right hook that kerplunked One-Time. Lennox Lewis is correct - Thurman thought he could backstep in time with it, but was wrong. Pac quicker than he dared dream. Would have been a tight and uneventful opening frame otherwise.

    IB: 10-8 Pac
    Goossen: 10-8 Pac
    @CST80: 10-8 Pac
    Villegas: 10-8 Pac

    Round 2

    First today into southpaw experimentation by Thurman. Not sure I approve of this. It doesn't do anything positive for him; he's best advised sticking to the known and not reinventing the wheel with such a dangerous and experienced foe. Southpaw is Manny's department - and he shows it, belting Keith with a left late laying him against the ropes to put punctuation on a strong round.

    IB: 10-9 Pac, 20-17 Pac
    CST80: 10-9 Pac, 20-17 Pac
    Goossen: 10-9 Pac, 20-17 Pac
    Villegas: 10-9 Pac, 20-17 Pac

    Round 3

    Thurman with nothing but a smattering of isolated, brief body combos. Scoring recently when he tries but this work rate isn't going to cut it. Pacquiao also fighting in spurts by his own standards but busier, regularly landing jabs and hooks with the right hand at least partially as Thurman skates around him.

    IB: 10-9 Pac, 30-26 Pac
    CST80: 10-9 Pac, 30-26!Pac
    Goossen: 10-9 Pac, 30-26 Pac
    Villegas: 10-9 Thurman, 29-27 Pac

    Round 4

    Thurman's strongest start yet, bumping in some overhand rights; in fact Dan Goossen had him winning 90 seconds in.! Pac heated up in the second half though and got Thurman backing straight up under fire from fast combos, snatching it back.

    IB: 10-9 Pac, close, 40-35 Pac
    CST80: 10-9 Pac, 40-35 Pac
    Goossen: 10-9 Pac, 40-35 Pac
    Villegas: 10-9 Pac, 39-36 Pac

    Round 5

    Thurman outworked by a lot and hurt late.

    IB: 10-9 Pac, 50-44 Pac
    CST80: 10-9 Pac, 50-44 Pac
    Goossen: 10-9 Pac, 50-44 Pac
    Villegas: 10-9 Pac, 49-45 Pac

    Round 6

    Keith finally breaking Manny's monopoly on coming forward. Quietly mounting a resurgence as the commentators idly chit-chat about everything but the action in the ring (particularly Thurman's work). Nice slip-and-counter work from Thurman, although Pac is still setting a fiery pace and scoring some himself.

    IB: 10-9 Thurman, close, 59-54 Pac
    CST80: 10-9 Thurman, 59-54 Pac
    Goossen: 10-9 Pac, 60-53 Pac
    Villegas: 10-9 Thurman, 58-55 Pac

    Round 7

    Facial damage showing on both, a bit worse on Thurman. Pacquiao laughs off some huge rights from Thurman, who is maybe no Cuevas or Trinidad but still a serious puncher at welter and putting mustard on these. Thurman doing good work with the jab and the lead right/left hook combo from mid-range, taking his lumps but giving better than he's getting.

    IB: 10-9 Thurman, 68-64 Pac
    CST80: 10-9 Thurman, 68-64 Pac
    Goossen: 10-9 Thurman, 69-63 Pac
    Villegas: 10-9 Thurman, 67-65 Pac

    Round 8

    Both fighting well, give & take, still just edged by Thurman's crisper and neater work and body shots catching Pac when reaching. Pac aggressive, leading with fast right jabs and hooks but Thurman ducking, rolling out sideways and coming up firing.

    IB: 10-9 Thurman, 77-74 Pac
    CST80: 10-9 Pac, 78-73 Pac
    Goossen: 10-9 Thurman, 78-73 Pac
    Villegas: 10-9 Pac, 77-74 Pac

    Round 9

    Thurman's fourth round in a row with a statistical edge in connects over Pac and fifth in a row comfortably outlanding him with power shots (apparently starting in R5, though it didn't seem like one that he ought to have won to me)...by a 2:1 margin in the 6th and 7th. Thurman in a groove now, looking confident, lots of sinuous movement while bending his waist and sniping with counters for a spell, then rushing in with jabs and body combos when Pac slows down.

    IB: 10-9 Thurman, 86-84 Pac
    CST80: 10-9 Thurman, 87-83 Pac
    Goossen: 10-9 Thurman, 87-83 Pac
    Villegas: 10-9 Thurman, 86-84 Pac

    Round 10

    Thurman comes out a little flat, guess that surge from the 5th or 6th through 9th cost him some gas. He goes southpaw again, wtf are you doing there Keith? He gets caught and hurt by a simultaneous inadvertent headbutt on the left ear and body shot from Pac while awkwardly transitioning from southpaw back to righty. Thurman backing up listlessly, letting Pac play whack-a-dreadlock and walk him onto the ropes. Disastrous round for One-Time, spoiling all that nice momentum he had.

    IB: 10-9 Pac, 96-93 Pac
    CST80: 10-9 Pac, 97-92 Pac
    Goossen: 10-9 Pac, 97-92 Pac
    Villegas: 10-9 Pac, 96-93 Pac

    Round 11

    Digging deep, One-Time pulls out one more big-time round. Mostly keeping Pac at bay with the jab, he sits down on pinball-launcher and uppercutting right hand leads. Nice gut check round to rebound from that awful tenth.

    IB: 10-9 Thurman, 105-103 Pac
    CST80: 10-9 Thurman, 106-102 Pac
    Goossen: 10-9 Thurman, 106-102 Pac
    Villegas: 10-9 Pac, 105-103 Pac

    Round 12

    Pac closes the show, emptying the reserves of his tank and drowning Thurman in volume, popping him with some nice catapult lefts. Thurman favoring his rear hand, shaking it the few times he uses it as Lennox observes, possibly a minor injury. Pac just imposing his will until the final bell, sticking the right jab in Thurman's face galloping after him.

    IB: 10-9 Pac, 115-112 Pac
    CST80: 10-9 Pac, 116-111 Pac
    Goossen: 10-9 Pac, 116-111 Pac
    Villegas: 10-9 Pac, 115-112 Pac
     
  7. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Nice, we were only out of sync on 1, and that one was razor close. Even though I picked Pac to win and possibly even stop him, which he came close a time or two. One thing that's always irritated me was the lack of credit Thurman gets for his performance. Without that one 10-8, the fight would have been razor close, and considering how well the comeback he mounted was after the 5th, I think he showed tremendous mental fortitude and toughness to come roaring back the way he did. It was like he went from being the Josesito version of One Time to the Porter version in the span of one match. It's a pity he hasn't fought since, because if anything he should have been emboldened by this performance, not disheartened.
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

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    I'm surprised there's never been much clamor for a rematch. It was close AND fun.
     
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  9. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Same, I'm also surprised, but also not surprised, by the lack of faith people have in him against Spence because of this match. The way he adjusted to the still much quicker than Spence 40 something Pac, and was able to time him as well as he did, and even pushed him back and did some solid body and head work, seemed to even buzz Pac a time or two, I would still give Spence the edge, but it isn't a foregone conclusion.
     
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  10. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    That owes mostly to a combination of people's dislike of Thurman's attitude/corny jokes and the fact that Pac beat him.

    Crawford himself said that Thurman was a tougher fight than Spence. And Danny said that Thurman is more skilled than Spence and hit harder, but isn't as physically strong.
     
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  11. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i think everyone is just happy to give manny the benefit of the doubt, whether realistic or not. hes earned it.
     
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  12. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Yeah, well... most people are stupid assholes and lemmings, who let their emotions get the best of them far too much. Also, I've never found anything remotely hateable or even unlikable about Thurman or his personality. The same people that like him, make excuses for despicable little trolls like Stank. So go figure.
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

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    I love his attitude/corny jokes.. :xqw
     
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  14. IntentionalButt

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    I don't think a rematch has to be a black mark against him, nor a suggestion that he wasn't the better man on the night. More just acknowledgement that it was close enough that maybe on a different night it swings the other way.
     
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  15. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    I think Thurman is very well spoken and entertaining. A guy you know is cool AF in person.
     
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